Re: Conservation Officers: What is their authority to conduct searches?
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Originally Posted by
hparrott
After stopping you though, the officer still requires "reason to believe" that an offence has occurred prior to conducting a search
No. Only reasonable ground to believe that you were successful when you were hunting or fishing.
stop and search a motor vehicle, private or chartered aircraft, boat or other conveyance, in or on which he or she believes on reasonable grounds that wildlife or fish is being carried by a person, and
Re: Conservation Officers: What is their authority to conduct searches?
What were you doing?
Fishing
catch anything?
No
Can I look?
No. I'm a private kinda guy
Have a nice day
What reasonable grounds?
Re: Conservation Officers: What is their authority to conduct searches?
What would the average reasonable person would think. You’re driving in the bush from the general direction from a lake and you tell the CO you were out fishing. Is it reasonable for an average person to think you might have caught some fish?
Re: Conservation Officers: What is their authority to conduct searches?
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Originally Posted by
boxhitch
What were you doing?
Fishing
catch anything?
No
Can I look?
No. I'm a private kinda guy
Have a nice day
What reasonable grounds?
I don't know how to multi-quote, but this is in reply to your message and a couple previously...
CO's have the authority to both inspect AND search - each has different criteria. They can ask to inspect your fishing gear, if based on that inspection they have reasonable grounds to believe you did catch a fish they can search your cooler.
Inspection and search are based on probabilities. e.g. You get stopped by a CO and they ask to see your gun to confirm that you are not travelling with a loaded firearm.
You say "I don't have any firearms".
The CO notices that: you're dressed in camo, driving a truck on a dead end logging road, with binoculars in the front seat, during hunting season, your vehicle is the same one they saw parked at the side of the road a few hours ago, etc. etc. Do they reasonably believe you actually have a firearm and are trying to avoid inspection? Can they then search your vehicle for the firearm? Nothing is definitive - but most probably, yes.
Re: Conservation Officers: What is their authority to conduct searches?
A Judge in court will go with a C.O. b4 the person charged -- the Judge seen these C O s b4. --
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Jel -- Judges know what's going on with these issues -- Judge says, " My court is always fair, Now, march the guilty bugger in! "
Re: Conservation Officers: What is their authority to conduct searches?
"Reasonable grounds" is a phrase that is litigated frequently.
The so-called "reasonable man" is another good one.
There's a good chance that there's jurisprudence on what would be considered reasonable grounds for a CO in BC...or another similar jurisdiction. I haven't looked, but I would be surprised if it's never been looked at.
Re: Conservation Officers: What is their authority to conduct searches?
Depends on the C.O, also, who they are, how much experience, type of personality, some a bit shy some a bit bold.
Just don't piss the wrong one off! Good thought.
-- some are dog handlers and specialize in certain enforcement --
Jel -- Kamloops has the top shelf Conservation Officers, and the most reasonable folks around, so that helps a shit load.
Re: Conservation Officers: What is their authority to conduct searches?
The CO can search with reasonable grounds, that is a fact, however, your story lacks an important point. Did the CO initially provide you a reason for your detention aka "stop". If they failed to provide you a valid reason, then the search was totally illegal. Now, if they stopped you and said something along the lines of "Sir, you've been stopped because we suspect you have been poaching ring tailed loon out of season, and we are searching your vehicle under the authority of the Migratory Bird Act, Wildlife Act.. blah blah blah".. Or Then that search would most likely be considered legal. Unless, the second CO observed something of imminent threat such as a loaded firearm on the rear seat, then they could rip open door.. Though in that scenario they still might lose the charge.
See as a Canadian the Charter rights protects you from arbitrary search and seizure by the state. To keep it simple, you have to be provided a reason / your jeopardy in the situation if the CO wants charges to stick. However, that unfortunately doesn't stop a fella from doing some forest road extortion / and or searches against the charter in the middle of the bush.. It is a "piece of paper" after all.
Its the fine points of a story, where sometimes the most important details lay.
Re: Conservation Officers: What is their authority to conduct searches?
The C. O. dint pull you over and come to the window and say nothing, he or she said something. If you asked why your stopped?
1. They dint say cuz we needed someone to talk to
2. cuz we had nothing better to do so we figured we'd pull you over
3. cuz we got so bored playing video games we decided to do our job for a change
Jel -- so what did they say exactly, when you asked, " Why you pull me over? " -- like said above post, it makes some of difference how they responded.