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Logging Trucks a public danger
Logging and Mining truck drivers are a public danger, they make no effort to share the road, they don't Own public land as they might think.
I ask You BCWF:
Please educate Logging and mining companies that they have only the right to exploit certain area but not to take possession of public land and restricting or bulling other drivers who make extreme efforts to evade a collision that will result in a deadly accident in which the Outdoorsman will be the victim.
Please educate this *******s that we also have a Family waiting for us, and this bulling has to stop, I had some close calls, it doesn't matter where you go, there are always bullies who try to intimidate, this is happening is all the Province. And I know You all know this.
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Okay not sure where you are going with this . There are radios that enable you to monitor logging truck traffic on FSR roads . I rented one for such travel , nowplanning to buy one ! They appreciate that hunters and others do monitor the roads when you are traveling the backcountry roads .I personally have had good experiences with logging truck drivers . Not to say there may be some that are not so friendly
Arctic Lake
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Last time I checked these roads were built for logging purposes (or mining). When the road is utilized for industrial purposes, the public should be careful of when and how they utilize those roads. The roads are built to minimum standards and for industrial use. They have radios in their rigs for the purposes of communicating to move traffic along safely and efficiently. If you are using the road, and not monitoring radio controlled traffic, thats YOUR problem. YOU are the hazard to the people working and using that road. Do everyone a favor instead of complaining - get a radio and be responsible to the many others using that road, instead of all the others having to watch out for your lame ass.
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If you do not have a radio, follow a truck from a ways back, stop when they stop, go when they go. They are feeding their families and do not want to hurt you either. 100,000 pound truck cannot stop, turn, or get out of the way. Don't put yourself in the way. These are the basic survival tools for driving on logging roads without a radio. I have had some close calls, and I understand your frustration, but those roads have industrial traffic. Its like askng the Queen Mary to move out of the way for a row boat. IMO.
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Originally Posted by
BlackOwL
Logging and Mining truck drivers are a public danger, they make no effort to share the road, they don't Own public land as they might think.
I ask You BCWF:
Please educate Logging and mining companies that they have only the right to exploit certain area but not to take possession of public land and restricting or bulling other drivers who make extreme efforts to evade a collision that will result in a deadly accident in which the Outdoorsman will be the victim.
Please educate this *******s that we also have a Family waiting for us, and this bulling has to stop, I had some close calls, it doesn't matter where you go, there are always bullies who try to intimidate, this is happening is all the Province. And I know You all know this.
The major aspect of this that you don’t seem to recognize is that you are out there for fun, your family doesn’t need for you to be out there. A truck drivers family relies on that driver to keep a roof over their heads and food on their table.
You acting in a reckless manner and not taking responsibility for your own safety puts everyone out there at risk.
You want to minimize the risk to yourself, stay home for a month and use that gas money you would have spent to buy a two way radio.
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Originally Posted by
KodiakHntr
The major aspect of this that you don’t seem to recognize is that you are out there for fun, your family doesn’t need for you to be out there. A truck drivers family relies on that driver to keep a roof over their heads and food on their table.
You acting in a reckless manner and not taking responsibility for your own safety puts everyone out there at risk.
You want to minimize the risk to yourself, stay home for a month and use that gas money you would have spent to buy a two way radio.
And these companies built these roads to extract timber, not the general public. Goes to show that people need to read/learn before posting and looking like an idiot.
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While I agree with all the "get a radio" and "they're at work, get out of their way" sentiments, I've had log trucks run my off the road deliberately on more than one occasion around lake cowichan, so there is certainly some issues surrounding behaviour on both sides of the equation.
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Ok. You guys read before replying, and connect the brain before answering, assuming I have no radio... assuming I wasn't responsible...and some say that I should stay at home for one month. and save for a two way radio, I always said there is no better way to show Your stupidity than assuming.
Now lets go to the facts, FSR are public land, this is precisely why is recommended to use a radio, if You want to stay home do it, but not for one month, stay there forever. now if there is a communication and I do every effort to step aside, and no matter My efforts and no matter how wide the road is, they come like a tank close to My vehicle despite that I am there waiting outside the road, they still do. Radio on Hand.
Now keep assuming and attracting more peers to help You with Your assuming. and Yes Ride Red, Read/learn so You don't look like and idiot!
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I’d suggest that any of you complaining about logging trucks try to do a bush round and enlighten yourselves with what it’s like being in one. Once you’ve done so, come back and tell us about your personal experience. I’m sure once done, you’re attitude and approach on these roads will be completely different.
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Originally Posted by
Ride Red
I’d suggest that any of you complaining about logging trucks try to do a bush round and enlighten yourselves with what it’s like being in one. Once you’ve done so, come back and tell us about your personal experience. I’m sure once done, you’re attitude and approach on these roads will be completely different.
I suggest You come down from your cloud and get yourself some sense of responsibility, You have to see both sides, not Your one sided convenience insisting of being an idiot, and yes I had driven a semi. this is precisely the reason why I am saying that out there are some *******s who give bad name to trucking.
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Sooooo you are bitching because you think that trucks don’t give you enough room when you are pulled over to let them by?
So you have had a truck make contact then?
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[QUOTE=BlackOwL;2165199]I suggest You come down from your cloud and get yourself some sense of responsibility, You have to see both sides, not Your one sided convenience insisting of being an idiot, and yes I had driven a semi. this is precisely the reason why I am saying that out there are some *******s who give bad name to
Jelvis, is this you??!! Your back!! You crazy lunatic!!!
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Originally Posted by
BlackOwL
I suggest You come down from your cloud and get yourself some sense of responsibility, You have to see both sides, not Your one sided convenience insisting of being an idiot, and yes I had driven a semi. this is precisely the reason why I am saying that out there are some *******s who give bad name to trucking.
I do see both sides and I understand what these trucks do on these roads. You don’t understand that logging/mining companies built these roads in which we wouldn’t be able to travel if they didn’t. And driving a semi on a highway vs a logging truck in the bush are night and day differences. There’s bad divers in every industry, but whinnying about one bad experience against the whole industry doesn’t make you credible. I’ve had way more shitty experiences with everyday drivers on pavement.
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Originally Posted by
BlackOwL
Logging and Mining truck drivers are a public danger, they make no effort to share the road, they don't Own public land as they might think.
I ask You BCWF:
Please educate Logging and mining companies that they have only the right to exploit certain area but not to take possession of public land and restricting or bulling other drivers who make extreme efforts to evade a collision that will result in a deadly accident in which the Outdoorsman will be the victim.
Please educate this *******s that we also have a Family waiting for us, and this bulling has to stop, I had some close calls, it doesn't matter where you go, there are always bullies who try to intimidate, this is happening is all the Province. And I know You all know this.
You might be treading a thin line here with that
Keep in mind that once you enter a forestry or mine road yes they do have right of way. I meet entitled traveling public all the time, yes do my best to share the road as much as possible but when the choice has to be made between putting you in the weeds or me going in with 100 thousand pounds on my back you can only guess who is loosing that coin toss.
The public should be educating themselves on how to use resource roads, it's not the truckers job to educate stupid
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Originally Posted by
KodiakHntr
Sooooo you are bitching because you think that trucks don’t give you enough room when you are pulled over to let them by?
So you have had a truck make contact then?
I had encounter in My life guys who think before making a challenge and some who just assume they can do one, the way I see it You are a bitch.
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Originally Posted by
BlackOwL
Logging and Mining truck drivers are a public danger, they make no effort to share the road, they don't Own public land as they might think.
I ask You BCWF:
Please educate Logging and mining companies that they have only the right to exploit certain area but not to take possession of public land and restricting or bulling other drivers who make extreme efforts to evade a collision that will result in a deadly accident in which the Outdoorsman will be the victim.
Please educate this *******s that we also have a Family waiting for us, and this bulling has to stop, I had some close calls, it doesn't matter where you go, there are always bullies who try to intimidate, this is happening is all the Province. And I know You all know this.
Generally speaking, Truck Drivers on and/or off Highway in Heavy Rigs are usually extremely courteous "Why" because it makes there Lives so much easier. If you do have an Issue you have the Option to contact the Company and/or ICBC and Complain. Name of Company and Tel # is on the Trucks Door.
Unfortunately if you do Complain you do have to get out of the Shadows and make your name and contact info available to the Authorities and it may very well turn out you where in the Wrong and end up with a Ticket.
Much easier to follow the rules and if you dont have a Radio suitable for that particular Bushroad, follow a Track in and out.
Cheers
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Originally Posted by
BlackOwL
I suggest You come down from your cloud and get yourself some sense of responsibility, You have to see both sides, not Your one sided convenience insisting of being an idiot, and yes I had driven a semi. this is precisely the reason why I am saying that out there are some *******s who give bad name to trucking.
And there are some that give the public a bad name ^^^
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Originally Posted by
BlackOwL
I had encounter in My life guys who think before making a challenge and some who just assume they can do one, the way I see it You are a bitch.
LOL, uhuh. You got me.
So back to the question: you said you have a radio, you said you clear the industrial traffic, but your complaint is that the trucks come to close when you are stopped? Yes or no?
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Originally Posted by
BlackOwL
Logging and Mining truck drivers are a public danger, they make no effort to share the road, they don't Own public land as they might think.
I ask You BCWF:
Please educate Logging and mining companies that they have only the right to exploit certain area but not to take possession of public land and restricting or bulling other drivers who make extreme efforts to evade a collision that will result in a deadly accident in which the Outdoorsman will be the victim.
Please educate this *******s that we also have a Family waiting for us, and this bulling has to stop, I had some close calls, it doesn't matter where you go, there are always bullies who try to intimidate, this is happening is all the Province. And I know You all know this.
this is the laugh we all needed.
thank you!
PS they built and maintain those roads you think you have a right to use, without them there are no more active FSR. You may think so but wait until there is a washout, roads toast forever unless INDUSTRY brings heavy equipment out to fix it.
can we play a game of guess where you live ? If I’m within a 500km in one guess, I win.
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Originally Posted by
BlackOwL
I suggest You come down from your cloud and get yourself some sense of responsibility, You have to see both sides, not Your one sided convenience insisting of being an idiot, and yes I had driven a semi. this is precisely the reason why I am saying that out there are some *******s who give bad name to trucking.
These trucks are not highway semi's driven on paved roads.
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I had a couple close calls and once if I didn't drive into the ditch the truck would have smoked me .
I have seen way too many times trucks barrelling down the middle of the road, not slowing down even a bit and you better get out of the way.
All you defending these actions maybe have a dog in this fight?
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For whatever it's worth: There are always A...holes on both sides of every fence. JUST got back home from a scouting trip and had some pretty nice run-ins with a logging crew and their trucks. They stopped me for a chat/advise, they moved their equipment for me so I could pass, and were generally a pleasant bunch. Just a thought: If you have issues with one specific area/logging/mining site, give the company a call and let them know? Certainly can't hurt....
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Worked in Forestry for 40 years. When driving on roads with logging trucks, gravel trucks, low beds etc, having a radio was important, but the rule always was don't drive by the radio, expect a truck around every corner. Heavy trucks/equipment always had the right of way. As others have pointed out, the roads were built for timber extraction. As rather be fishing said there is always the odd a hole, but for the most part the truck drivers are good guys, professional and most importantly trying to earn a living in a safe manner.
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I've had more issues with highway rigs than off road rigs.
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I love these types to threads. There are definitely good and bad drivers in the cities, on the highways and in the bush.
I’m a logging supervisor for a larger forest company. The companies (forestry and mining) do build and maintain the industrial rds for their use, but they are also for the use of all the public that want to use them when on public land. When a forest company is using a rd then the public that wants to also use that rd should be aware that there are dangers associated with that, mainly big ass trucks that can run you over. It is always very appreciated when public users do have radios and abide by the rules for the industrial road/ work site.
99% of the time the truck drivers I deal are great, they respect other vehicles and use the radio to call and slow down, but there is always that 1% that might be having a bad day or is just an ass. It’s no different than driving on any other road in the city, highway or bush.
Close calls and accidents happen, but we who are out there are trying to reduce and eliminate them. It’s a challenge though when mixing the public into a work situation. Even as a worker in the industry with years of experience and having a radio I’ve been run off the rd. I know how it can feel. I’ve also had to investigate many incidents where logging trucks have had accidents or close calls with other vehicles sharing the rds. Some have been very serious but thankfully not too bad.
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I run a 9 axle ore truck that weighs 160,000 pounds loaded. I run down the middle of these roads because they are crowned for water runoff and it keeps my pup from sliding into a ditch. These roads radio controlled and are signed complete with frequency posted. I have the right of way. There is a reason for this. I can't stop my truck on gravel in 2 truck lengths @105 ft long. What do you think is going to happen when you come around a corner and my unit is right there?
You get flattenend because I'm not going to go off the road and kill myself because you're an idiot.
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Sorry Bud, If you as an experienced class 1 Driver don't slow down enough and cant stop your Rig no matter what size in a Blind Corner and Kill someone you probably will be facing serious Jail time.
Cheers
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Originally Posted by
Downtown
Sorry Bud, If you as an experienced class 1 Driver don't slow down enough and cant stop your Rig no matter what size in a Blind Corner and Kill someone you probably will be facing serious Jail time.
Cheers
He just told you that he can’t make it stop in 2 truck lengths x 105’. You obviously don’t know anything about these trucks. The extreme weight isn’t conducive to stopping on a dime no matter how many brakes they have. Highway trucks aren’t any different. Everyone should have to ride with a truck driver for a day just for the first hand experience before getting a license.
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Originally Posted by
Ride Red
He just told you that he can’t make it stop in 2 truck lengths x 105’. You obviously don’t know anything about these trucks. The extreme weight isn’t conducive to stopping on a dime no matter how many brakes they have. Highway trucks aren’t any different. Everyone should have to ride with a truck driver for a day just for the first hand experience before getting a license.
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Myself, I've never seen a black owl.
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the_longwalker
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Going 60km/hr in a empty pickup cant stop in 2 vehicle lengths but yet the ignorant public expects loaded trucks to stop and get out of the way. Hahaha ya right. See you in the ditch
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Originally Posted by
Ride Red
He just told you that he can’t make it stop in 2 truck lengths x 105’. You obviously don’t know anything about these trucks. The extreme weight isn’t conducive to stopping on a dime no matter how many brakes they have. Highway trucks aren’t any different. Everyone should have to ride with a truck driver for a day just for the first hand experience before getting a license.
Lol yup...I drive a loaded dump truck occasionally at work and my biggest piss off is when pulling up to a red light and you've calculated your stopping distance and all of a sudden some ass hat cuts in front of you and expects you to just stop...I couldn't imagine that scenario with a much heavier rig...
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I drive gravel truck something chip van in oil/gas industry up north and I’ll say there’s bad drivers on both sides. I don’t know how many times I’ve warned others about pickups without radios, it’s the courteous thing to do which most truckers are, they don’t make money sitting on the side of the road after smashing into a hunter or fisherman.
Even though about starting a Radio 101 course as some guys are terrible at calling kms. That being said the heavy trucks have the right of way, I can pull a pickup out of the ditch not knowing I’m hooked to it but can a pickup pull a heavy out of the ditch, not a chance.
If everyone would drive like there is oncoming traffic all would be good but in the years I’ve been driving I can only think of 2 collisions involving multiple vehicles and that’s driving close to 200K kms a year.
Buy a radio, it’s still no guarantee but it’s better then not having one.
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HarryToolips
Lol yup...I drive a loaded dump truck occasionally at work and my biggest piss off is when pulling up to a red light and you've calculated your stopping distance and all of a sudden some ass hat cuts in front of you and expects you to just stop...I couldn't imagine that scenario with a much heavier rig...
I agree with you, many times I’ve said a new driver should spend a week riding with a trucker before getting a license. I’m sure I pissed off a few trucks in my day before getting my Class One license.
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There are lots of roads around here that are active for awhile and then non active. Plus lots of tourists. I don't have a radio, so what I do when I encounter a logging truck is to just GET THE F@CK out of the way. I'm less interested in my "right" to be on the road as I am interested in self preservation.
I drove trucks for a few years, they don't stop on a dime. Do your best to self preserve, don't worry too much about your rights.
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Gateholio
There are lots of roads around here that are active for awhile and then non active. Plus lots of tourists. I don't have a radio, so what I do when I encounter a logging truck is to just GET THE F@CK out of the way. I'm less interested in my "right" to be on the road as I am interested in self preservation.
I drove trucks for a few years, they don't stop on a dime. Do your best to self preserve, don't worry too much about your rights.
^^^ Agree, this is also kinda how i see it. One time we drove up to a logging truck that dumped its logs in a corner. I asked him how long ago that had happened , he replied a minute before we pulled up. Sometimes you just need to be a bit lucky !
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Quit your whining about who should do what and who has the right of way. On back roads ,size matters . The bigger truck has the right of way. Loggers are some of the best drivers out there , some not so good , bad apple in every bunch. If your really concerned for your safety get a radio or drive with the attitude there is a loaded truck around every corner.
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Resource vehicles have the right of way, to think otherwise is ridiculous, they are called resource roads. Dip schitts are found in all industries and business, but logging truck drivers are generally the best drivers out there. I worked for a logging contractor that had 5 guys who drove for 35-40yrs and never had an accident.
If anyone has trouble encountering a loaded logging truck, then they are going to be in real trouble when they come across a low bed with a Cat on board, the blade turns into a giant can opener, they don't/can't stop. They are twice as wide as a loaded logging truck if they are moving between sites on a resource road.
Get a handheld radio for $250 and learn how to use it.
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We used to pull over up the back of Chehailis/Elbow lake way back when they were running the 14’ wide off highway bunks coming down to Harrison Mills. Now those were big trucks.
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I've used all manner of fsr and private industrial roads extensively for 50 years and only can recall
a couple of incidents where I almost got in an accident. I always drive on roads that show recent
heavy truck usage as if there's one coming my way at any time. I normally use a radio but there are
times the odd truck driver gets complacent or is too lazy to call his location and direction. As an example,
I was following an empty logging truck heading in and the both of us almost got wiped out by a loaded
truck from another company coming around a corner like a bat from hell...he had not called at any time
as he made his way out over several miles. I will stop, shut off my motor, open windows, and listen for a
couple of minutes to try and hear if a truck is coming toward me on a narrow section of road. I always take
the extreme far right when going around corners. I'm always looking for an escape route...it's not only the
heavy trucks to look out for, it's the regular car and pickup speeders, including atv riders as well. Even on wide
straight sections I will pull over as best as what's safe to allow the loaded trucks as much room as possible.
95% of the drivers I get to talk to say they really appreciate the courtesy. I've driven heavy commercial trucks
for 46 years so understand the frustration they have about 'self righteous' and unthinking recreational drivers
wandering all over the road, stopping on sharp corners to look at the view, even getting out to take pictures etc,
and those hunters that go chase an animal leaving their truck in the middle of the road, doors open in a place
2 cars couldn't pass. In a nut shell, drive with caution as if there's danger coming your way at any time, be courteous,
and obey the rules of the road, including using a radio, and your chances of a safe journey are pretty darn good.