Whitetail doe season... is it time to take end it?

I saw this advertisement in my local news paper this week.

http://www.nomoredeaddoes.ca/

I was wondering what others thought about the open season on WT does. Is it hurting the WT populations? I for one can speak to the fact that I saw very few WTs this passed season. Coupled with a few hard winters in the Kootenays along with increasing predator populations,maybe it is time to take it easy for a while.

I'm curious to hear what others think.

PS sorry I couldn't figure out how to make a quick link.

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Originally Posted by Greenthumbed

I saw this advertisement in my local news paper this week.

http://www.nomoredeaddoes.ca/

I was wondering what others thought about the open season on WT does. Is it hurting the WT populations? I for one can speak to the fact that I saw very few WTs this passed season. Coupled with a few hard winters in the Kootenays along with increasing predator populations,maybe it is time to take it easy for a while.

I'm curious to hear what others think.

PS sorry I couldn't figure out how to make a quick link.

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......since you’ve seen less then it must be a problem. Maybe you should stop hunting them if you feel that way and start killing predators ?

There is so much misinformation out there and lack of understanding it hurts.

My opinion WT doe season is good in areas with strong WT populations way better for buck vs doe ratios. WT under pressure get cagey and this will make sightings lower. It most likely has had an impact on numbers but is creating a stronger WT population in areas with large WT populations

WT doe seasons with low WT numbers I do not support and see them as a waste of a wildlife resource

A bunch of freaking morons there is no shortage of WT deer in the east kootenay just a lot of lazy hunters who will not walk 50 feet from there truck to hunt a deer.

That ad is disgusting. It has been discussed an another thread. I saw it as well. According to the biologist there is no issue with population.
Its time we stop playing wildlife managers and let the scientists do it. We need to ensure the government funds them and their reccomendations; ie- habitat improvement, and predator control.

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Originally Posted by limit time

......since you’ve seen less then it must be a problem. Maybe you should stop hunting them if you feel that way and start killing predators ?

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I never have taken a whitetail doe or actively hunted one. I did take a Black bear this season on the predator side.
I'm not actually on either side of the fence on this issue as of yet.
The website states that the doe season is an outdated regulation and that the populations are no longer the same as they were when it was first implemented.
I am curious what others think on the matter.

BTW I can't walk very far and I had no issue harvesting a nice young doe. Tasted dam good too!

Put a game cam out where you think there are low numbers of WT. You will be shocked at the amount of does living there that you never see in the day.

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Originally Posted by Greenthumbed

... I am curious what others think on the matter.

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Discussed extensively in this thread: http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/showth...mpaign-started

Conclusion with Biologist input: Self serving bunch of lies purported to support a hidden local agenda.

Have a read if you're still interested.

Case Closed.
Nog

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Originally Posted by IronNoggin

Discussed extensively in this thread: http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/showth...mpaign-started

Conclusion with Biologist input: Self serving bunch of lies purported to support a hidden local agenda.

Have a read if you're still interested.

Case Closed.
Nog

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Thanks for the link, Nog. I missed that thread. I did read through it. I appreciated the responses from the Wildlife biologists that Scott G. emailed

Agreed. Case closed
Chad

My neck of the woods is littered with rat wt, least amount of wt I've seen around in my 7yrs here. Yet to whack a doe and I get my 2 bucks every year out region 4,8. A guy could whack a doe or 2 every year wouldn't make a difference on population. More thinning of them would have helped lower the dog explosion we now have on our hands. Eating deer steady right behind the house, and I've yet to lay eyes on one...

Ya they get skittish when hunted, shocker but its true. lol The numbers are still there after quite a few seasons of GOS WT doe hunting, in fact they continue to colonise new areas throughout the province. But they're not standing in the ditch feeding as you drive by them any more I guess that's just too hard to deal with for the few who think their half a dozen road hunts a year make them ungulate experts and many times more knowledgeable than biologists that spend their whole careers studying deer, and have decades of data at their finger tips.

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Originally Posted by Everett

A bunch of freaking morons there is no shortage of WT deer in the east kootenay just a lot of lazy hunters who will not walk 50 feet from there truck to hunt a deer.

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I agree 100%. As far as I am concerned stand hunting and or still hunting is the only way to go. There are states in the US that only allow you to take a WT buck after you have taken an
Antlerless WT. They are just to cagey and spooky for road hunting. I have found that WT does are getting just as wary as WT bucks.

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Originally Posted by Everett

A bunch of freaking morons there is no shortage of WT deer in the east kootenay just a lot of lazy hunters who will not walk 50 feet from there truck to hunt a deer.

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Yup.....it's getting real old....the whitetail have adapted, most people haven't...

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Originally Posted by carnivore

I have found that WT does are getting just as wary as WT bucks.

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This.....

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Originally Posted by HarryToolips

Yup.....it's getting real old....the whitetail have adapted, most people haven't...

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......and this.

I think they should open the season for these coarse deer even more!! Its our muleys that are in trouble in places.

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Originally Posted by .264winmag

.......My neck of the woods is littered with rat wt, least amount of wt I've seen around in my 7yrs here. .....

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No! now you just set yourself up for a world of hurt! you won't get away with calling them rrrr....
the r word.......they have feelings too

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Originally Posted by boxhitch

No! now you just set yourself up for a world of hurt! you won't get away with calling them rrrr....
the r word.......they have feelings too

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But they're so tiny! Tasty though. They are some smart however, and will always adapt.

And whats with that dead does website. wonder how their poll is turning out

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Originally Posted by boxhitch

No! now you just set yourself up for a world of hurt! you won't get away with calling them rrrr....
the r word.......they have feelings too

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Unless they identify ?

Never have liked female GOS on any game animals period..

Never have liked female GOS on any game animals period never have shot the female species but that's my choice....

I don't target does when hunting but if I come across one I may shoot it for meat and to slow the invasion down . In my neck of the woods there are a couple of places that I used to see wt does quite often . A year after the wt doe season opened up i would see very few during hunting season . I started thinking holy s..t it didn't take long to get rid of them . fast forward to late February and guess what , they magically re-appeared . Now after a few seasons they are definitely more evasive all year long , but they've learnt quickly and are still there , you just have to look a little harder.

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Originally Posted by swampthing

I think they should open the season for these coarse deer even more!! Its our muleys that are in trouble in places.

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Yes the management plan of kill WT to increase MD numbers worked so well it was abandoned in Alberta lol

I know this koolaid was pushed hard in BC

declining mule deer are do to other issues

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Originally Posted by 280 77

I don't target does when hunting but if I come across one I may shoot it for meat and to slow the invasion down . In my neck of the woods there are a couple of places that I used to see wt does quite often . A year after the wt doe season opened up i would see very few during hunting season . I started thinking holy s..t it didn't take long to get rid of them . fast forward to late February and guess what , they magically re-appeared . Now after a few seasons they are definitely more evasive all year long , but they've learnt quickly and are still there , you just have to look a little harder.

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What?
The most studied ungulate in North America that keeps expanding their range and out competing all their competitors regardless of environment. How is that possible?
kidding aside.
They adapt, they survive, it's what they do.

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Originally Posted by hunter1947

Never have liked female GOS on any game animals period never have shot the female species but that's my choice....

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Sorry Wayne but your opinion is wrong and its not to late to educate yourself to the ways of sound game management:p I expect to see a picture of you next year with a 200lb doe

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Originally Posted by Wild one

Yes the management plan of kill WT to increase MD numbers worked so well it was abandoned in Alberta lol

I know this koolaid was pushed hard in BC

declining mule deer are do to other issues

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Actually mule deer are responding nicely to the reduction in WT deer in the east kootenays and numbers are on upswing for mule deer.

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Originally Posted by Everett

Actually mule deer are responding nicely to the reduction in WT deer in the east kootenays and numbers are on upswing for mule deer.

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I ? If that is the reason for MD improvement

It was run in Alberta even more of a liberal WT harvest combined with restricted MD harvest and it fails miserably. MU 339 ran ran a WT season of 2 doe tags combined with 3rd tag that could be used buck or doe season ran mid September to end of November. Lowered WT numbers did nothing for MD. Was run in other MUs I am less familiar with and abandoned again do to poor results. Ran way longer then BCs wt doe seasons existence

This really makes me wonder what other factors could be at play in the east koots

A link for some light reading...


http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/fw/wildlife...rov_review.pdf

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Originally Posted by Wild one

I ? If that is the reason for MD improvement

It was run in Alberta even more of a liberal WT harvest combined with restricted MD harvest and it fails miserably. MU 339 ran ran a WT season of 2 doe tags combined with 3rd tag that could be used buck or doe season ran mid September to end of November. Lowered WT numbers did nothing for MD. Was run in other MUs I am less familiar with and abandoned again do to poor results. Ran way longer then BCs wt doe seasons existence

This really makes me wonder what other factors could be at play in the east koots

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No parallel whatsoever for habitat nor predation in AB compared to BC for sympatric whitetail and mule deer.

If you like AB so much, well, you know what to do. ;)

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Originally Posted by scoutlt1

A link for some light reading...


http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/fw/wildlife...rov_review.pdf

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I wonder what the harvest /100 days was from 2014-2017?

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Originally Posted by Fisher-Dude

No parallel whatsoever for habitat nor predation in AB compared to BC for sympatric whitetail and mule deer.

If you like AB so much, well, you know what to do. ;)

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Habitat is very different in east koots to the area I gave as an example and not doubting that as a factor. Predation comparison I think you have no clue might want to do some research lol

Area I mentioned high predator numbers coyote, wolf and cougar. World record wolf is from that area even lol

Difference between me and you show me results my ears are open. Truth is I am already curious about if this is achieving results and if it does I will be open to this management holding merit in the correct habitat for mule deer.

You see the FD I am open to the possibility I am wrong. You should try it sometime lol

As for going back to Alberta it’s a tough call do I go or should I stay and mess with you getting asked by others if I am willing to get more involved in BC often. Maybe you could deal with me in person

You can teach me about wolf predation sound like fun lol

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Originally Posted by scoutlt1

A link for some light reading...


http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/fw/wildlife...rov_review.pdf

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Do they have a chart that compares weight. What am I getting at? Compare buck harvest of past and what weight ended up in the freezer to recent stats of what actual increase in groceries for the average household.. what is the return on the season? You could have more animals harvested but less meat in the freezer. Like this season my buddy got a couple whitetail does..my one whitetail buck was 1/3 more pounds of meat then his two does...something else to think about when they are blowing sunshine...

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Originally Posted by Fisher-Dude

No parallel whatsoever for habitat nor predation in AB compared to BC for sympatric whitetail and mule deer.

If you like AB so much, well, you know what to do. ;)

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This coming from a guy that thinks Idaho and WA are easily compared to BC. That being said, maybe if you like those places so much FD, you know what to do!

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Originally Posted by bownut

I wonder what the harvest /100 days was from 2014-2017?

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Region 8, which you are likely most interested in:

Kills/100 days 2010 - 2013 was:

4.70
4.91
4.71

Statistical average = 4.49

Kills/100 days 2014-2016 was:

4.12
5.01
4.14

Statistical average = 4.43

The first 3 years and the second 3 years of the season are only 1.3% different. That's proof that the season has NOT changed hunter success rates over the 6 years, nor does it indicate any population decline.

I know it's not what you were hoping to see, but perhaps you should rejoice in a sustainable, successful hunting opportunity for a change.

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Originally Posted by horshur

Do they have a chart that compares weight. What am I getting at? Compare buck harvest of past and what weight ended up in the freezer to recent stats of what actual increase in groceries for the average household.. what is the return on the season? You could have more animals harvested but less meat in the freezer. Like this season my buddy got a couple whitetail does..my one whitetail buck was 1/3 more pounds of meat then his two does...something else to think about when they are blowing sunshine...

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Lets be truthful here. My 2 does together were slightly more meat than your whitetail buck. Haha. But...put my 2 does and your whitetail buck together, they still would be shy of weight compared to your muley buck.

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Originally Posted by dana

This coming from a guy that thinks Idaho and WA are easily compared to BC. That being said, maybe if you like those places so much FD, you know what to do!

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Its not his fault he only gets the info GG gives him

Probably thinks as soon as you cross the BC Alberta border it’s nothing but farmland and prairie and there is no way to provs could share part of the same habitat

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Originally Posted by dana

Lets be truthful here. My 2 does together were slightly more meat than your whitetail buck. Haha. But...put my 2 does and your whitetail buck together, they still would be shy of weight compared to your muley buck.

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great to see you back from Holliday Dana . Need more like yourself on HBC

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Originally Posted by Everett

Actually mule deer are responding nicely to the reduction in WT deer in the east kootenays and numbers are on upswing for mule deer.

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That is consistent with my observations of areas I frequent in the WK.....