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Blinds on public land
I'm always surprised with some peoples sense of entitlement. I bumped into a couple of guys this weekend who were discussing their blind on Pitt Marsh, and they were of the opinion that even if they show up at noon, they can order people to leave "their" blind.
While I do agree that we should be allowed to leave stuff in the public marsh, rather than having to tear it down every time we are done with it, it doesnt somehow garner "ownership" to the spot, and if someone else beats you to it, you can speak politely to them and maybe they can choose to do you a favor by allowing you to join them, or even leaving the spot altogether, but you dont have any authority over them.
IT IS UNLAWFUL: to interfere with or obstruct a person licensed or permitted to hunt, guide or trap while that person is lawfully so engaged.
If you have a blind set up and are worried about someone else using it, you need to physically occupy it, and get in before legal light, just like everyone else does.
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If go on public land, haul all my gear in well before light, and see a blind not in use.. its fair game for me to use in my opinion.. If someone wants entitlement to a blind, buy a field and build a blind there, or simply don't be lazy and wake up early!! Public land is first come first serve.
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Originally Posted by
longshot
If go on public land, haul all my gear in well before light, and see a blind not in use.. its fair game for me to use in my opinion.. If someone wants entitlement to a blind, buy a field and build a blind there, or simply don't be lazy and wake up early!! Public land is first come first serve.
This is true - you build - you use it - if someone gets there earlier - tough shit, Go and build another one!
You "own" nothing! - the land belongs to everyone - if you can't live by those rules, then by all means pull down your blind and please remove it from the marsh!
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I agree with the previous posters. You can't stake out a claim on public land and the "Early bird gets the blind!" Have a back-up plan if you sleep in. :mrgreen:
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Same thing for people leaving treestands up on public land, thinking it will claim a hunting spot...or blocking a road way becuase they are hunting the area.
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...you guys must be hurtin for spots..now heres' how it works..if it's a man made built blind then help yourself if no one is in it...if the guy that built it comes along with all his stuff...you leave.
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Originally Posted by
aggiehunter
...you guys must be hurtin for spots..now heres' how it works..if it's a man made built blind then help yourself if no one is in it...if the guy that built it comes along with all his stuff...you leave.
That may be how it works in your "little" world, but the reality of it is that the guy that built the blind on public land can damned will wait until is in NOT occupied an THEN use it!!!!
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Originally Posted by
aggiehunter
...you guys must be hurtin for spots..now heres' how it works..if it's a man made built blind then help yourself if no one is in it...if the guy that built it comes along with all his stuff...you leave.
Anyone can say they built it, just sayin...
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If you want to have huntng rights to a specific property or a blind, you can buy land and post as many no hunting or tresspassing signs as you wish....other than that, pick a number!!!!!!
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I agree, but I would have no desire whatsoever to sit in someone else's blind. Is it that crowded over there? Why not just set up your own?
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Peoples sense of entitlement has extended well beyond the marsh these days, into private fields, and everyday life. I believe it has in large part to do with people not discipling their kids anymore
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Originally Posted by
aggiehunter
...you guys must be hurtin for spots..now heres' how it works..if it's a man made built blind then help yourself if no one is in it...if the guy that built it comes along with all his stuff...you leave.
DO you live in comox? I think I have ran into you a few times.
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Aggie, you're wrong. There's no other way to say it.
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Quite the scenario.... I would imagine that a lot of water fowlers have similar thoughts on what a good spot to set up a blind would be. Those that have set up blinds essentially leave their 'things' in these spots, in effect stopping others from setting up their own blind. Thinking that if you set it up, it is YOUR spot if, and when you want to use it is completely ridiculous. Remove your crap from the marsh then so you don't impede another hunter from setting up a blind, and enjoying a day out on the marsh.
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Originally Posted by
aggiehunter
...you guys must be hurtin for spots..now heres' how it works..if it's a man made built blind then help yourself if no one is in it...if the guy that built it comes along with all his stuff...you leave.
So if I like to hunt that part of the marsh and a guy builds a blind in there I'm no longer able to hunt that section and am supposed to leave if he shows up??
PUBLIC land if I'm there first I'm not waiting for someone to tell me if I can use the blind or not I will be using it period. If they want to join no problem meet some new hunters.
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There is lots of public land out there to build a blind on.....that said........I'd prefer to build my own blind and leave the one already there for the people who made it, IMO that's just common courtesy, public land or not. I myself would leave if I knew it was the certain individual{s} that built the blind, they obviously took the time to make it so be a nice guy and let them enjoy it, it doesn't take all that long to build one anyways and IMO it's all part of the process and quite a bit of fun too so.............
But,..... if someone was in the blind that "I" built when I arrived I would "not" think they "should" leave, but then again I probably would "hope" that they would, but I'm not about to stomp my feet if they didn't because the fact is, it's not my land.
Maybe, just maybe if there wasn't that many of them then maybe we could hunt together for the day and enjoy the camaraderie. That's always a good idea too, meeting new hunters.
It's not a war people, live and let live.:wink:
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Here's something to ponder! I head out to marsh and find a blind set up right where I want to be, no problem, I set the decoys and put my portable blind right next to the one already there. Now you come along, the dude who built the blind, are you gonna ask me to leave? Think about it!! K
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If i find someone in one of my blinds, better be a quick runner......... Hahaha trespassers....
just search and there's a thread on this from last year a couple pages long.
Legally and morally are two different sides of the coin sometimes.
And kelly i agree. Say a lay down punt is setup where the birds wanna be and only 50 yards from a man made blind. Legally a person can hunt there, morally it's a d*ck move
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P U B L I C
public
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adjective
adjective: public
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of or concerning the people as a whole.
"public concern"
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A little different, but this is along the same lines. On the muskwa we made camp at a site that looked like it was used before. These guys came up and tried pressuring us to leave. We stuck to our rights and informed them it was public land and is first come, first serve. It got a little tense for a while. Anybody have this happen to them before? Can't believe some people think they own the river.
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Public land is just that, public. A duck blind is not like a foreign embassy it does not become your soil. So if you decide to build a blind or anything else on public land you should be prepared to share with the public.
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Originally Posted by
r106
Public land is just that, public. A duck blind is not like a foreign embassy it does not become your soil. So if you decide to build a blind or anything else on public land you should be prepared to share with the public.
Well said.
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There is a lot of room on Pitt marsh the problem is you can see all the blinds from the road as well as the dyke, there has allready been complaints from tree huggers that we are even allowed to hunt here , so if every marsh hunter built a permanent blind out there what would happen then?? All those foreign obsticals in a wildlife management area.It's public use the blind if your there first. And as far as the builders running you off public land... That's funny hope they have duck blind insurance!!! Cause if they want to be a douche about it I'm sure some guys will be a douche right back.
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Originally Posted by
Crazy_Farmer
If i find someone in one of my blinds, better be a quick runner......... Hahaha trespassers....
just search and there's a thread on this from last year a couple pages long.
Legally and morally are two different sides of the coin sometimes.
And kelly i agree. Say a lay down punt is setup where the birds wanna be and only 50 yards from a man made blind. Legally a person can hunt there, morally it's a d*ck move
Okay, try this one on for size! Using your scenario with the punt, I get out there predawn (like that would ever happen,ha) and set up not knowing that there was a blind 40 yds away. An hour later blind builder shows up, are you saying morally I should move on? K
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To build a blind and expect some type of entitlement is impeding on other people hunting privilege. period. Its crown land your land is my land!
When you leave take your blind with you, problem solve.
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To the reference about treestands. The scenario predominantly being discussed here is different as it pertains to bird hunting and brings with it, a unique set of considerations.
With respect to store bought treestands, another hunter is free to hunt the area, just don't sit in another guys stand. Sit below it, or above, or on the ground. But not in it. Hunt the same ground. It isn't a rule, or a law. It's respect. If the guy who put the treestand in shows up he can choose to go somewhere else.
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J_T
To the reference about treestands. The scenario predominantly being discussed here is different as it pertains to bird hunting and brings with it, a unique set of considerations.
With respect to store bought treestands, another hunter is free to hunt the area, just don't sit in another guys stand. Sit below it, or above, or on the ground. But not in it. Hunt the same ground. It isn't a rule, or a law. It's respect. If the guy who put the treestand in shows up he can choose to go somewhere else.
What's the difference between a tree stand and a duck blind?
They both occupy space on crown land, they both afford the hunter an opportunity to shoot game - they both should be removed if the builder / owner doesn't want to share with others........
Sorry JT - I really can't see one being any different to the other.
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Originally Posted by
J_T
To the reference about treestands. The scenario predominantly being discussed here is different as it pertains to bird hunting and brings with it, a unique set of considerations.
With respect to store bought treestands, another hunter is free to hunt the area, just don't sit in another guys stand. Sit below it, or above, or on the ground. But not in it. Hunt the same ground. It isn't a rule, or a law. It's respect. If the guy who put the treestand in shows up he can choose to go somewhere else.
Respect is, removing your stand or blind from public land when you leave.....otherwise with confrontation, you are interferring with some elses legal hunt. Pack it in, pack it out, and there is NO problem to resolve!! Why is that so hard for some people to understand? Privately owned land is totally different.
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I agree with last statement pack in you pack out problem solved. What if squatters built shacks would that be acceptable ? I think not same deal.
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pnbrock
I agree with last statement pack in you pack out problem solved. What if squatters built shacks would that be acceptable ? I think not same deal.
Store bought ground blind or tree stand in the deer woods is an entirely different matter. You may want to go into a hot spot set up and give it a few days to settle down then return. Its not a perminant structure like a shack deffinately not the same deal at all. Pack it in and pack it out when you are finished with it. If you cant leave a tree stand for a few days why should you be able to leave a trail cam for a few weeks? And should anyone be able to come and view the card from your trail cam any time they so choose. Much different than a duck blind of branches and reeds that may or may not be uses regularly.
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No Kelly morally you were there first. Blind builder should of gotten there first if he wanted his spot. But then the blind guy won't be setup to hunt elsewhere if he doesn't have a boat blind so it's shitty but if you were in a punt already setup and waiting I'd be giving you the right of way to hunt there. Or depending on wind only shoot birds you let pass and come into me.
Thats why theres so many races in the states refuges to get to a spot first or draw a good blind. Guys camp overnight.
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Originally Posted by
Foxton Gundogs
Store bought ground blind or tree stand in the deer woods is an entirely different matter. You may want to go into a hot spot set up and give it a few days to settle down then return. Its not a perminant structure like a shack deffinately not the same deal at all. Pack it in and pack it out when you are finished with it. If you cant leave a tree stand for a few days why should you be able to leave a trail cam for a few weeks? And should anyone be able to come and view the card from your trail cam any time they so choose. Much different than a duck blind of branches and reeds that may or may not be uses regularly.
Actually, there is no difference at all between treestands or duck blinds when it comes to public land....if you want to claim a spot by leaving your stand up....do it on privately owned land where you have control over who can and cant access the area. Where does this idea come from that I can claim a spot by leaving a "store bought" stand or blind on public land? If you are to lazy to pack it out when you're done for the day, that's not the other hunters problem! Setting it up and leaving it there for days or weeks to let the area get use to it (cool down)is a good idea. However, that privilege is best exercised on controlled access land.
Why would you care if someone viewed what was on your trail cam as long as it was left unharmed and in place? Also for the record, I would not leave a trail cam on public land for an extended period of time and be naive enough to believe no one would touch it.
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Well gentlemen. It sounds like we're fighting for space along the Vedder. Love that shoulder to shoulder fishing. No thanks. That's why I moved from the LML and love the vastness of Crown Land in the Kootenays.
To be specific, I'm not really worried about what you think is right or wrong. But where we hunt, if a guy puts up a stand, we respect it. If someone wants to hunt that location and the guy who put the stand up is not there, go right ahead. Just don't use his stand. If you're in the area and the guy who puts the stand up shows up, to bad. (there is no 'saving' a spot because you have a stand up) You are not obligated to leave. But we don't take our stands down every night. Now that would be funny. But we do leave other guys property alone.
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Well, the jest of this thread was about people believing they can claim a spot on public land and demand you leave when they show up....not about what some people do in the Kootenays.
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Originally Posted by
hawk-i
Well, the jest of this thread was about people believing they can claim a spot on public land and demand you leave when they show up....not about what some people do in the Kootenays.
Thanks for recognizing that, I was trying to concur with you. You can't save a spot by having something in place. You certainly can't demand they leave when you show up. My specific point was, if it is something of value, like a treestand (not a hole in the ground with some dirt and brush piled on. Another user, should leave it alone.
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J_T
Thanks for recognizing that, I was trying to concur with you. You can't save a spot by having something in place. You certainly can't demand they leave when you show up. My specific point was, if it is something of value, like a treestand (not a hole in the ground with some dirt and brush piled on. Another user, should leave it alone.
Do try and keep up JT - the duck blinds in the pit marsh are properly constructed structures, wooden floors raised above the waterline etc. etc - money invested in wood to the tune of, if not more - that your tree stand! Not quite the holes in the ground with some dirt or bush piled on that you trying to paint! People have invested a load of time - effort and money to build and maintain these things.
However, Crown land will always be public land - anything you choose to leave behind including garbage becomes public property - that means the marsh, mountains in the kootneys - it really doesn't matter!! Anyone stumbling upon it has as much right to use it as you or anyone else.
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You guys make it so hard for a guy to keep up. But I will try.
For me. And I'm only saying for me.... If I wanted to enjoy a siesta or hunt, on/in or near a nice concealed, constructed, raised wood floor structure (blind) on crown land, if I didn't financially support it or build it, if it wasn't occupied upon my arrival, I'd lay/hunt, beside it. This is pretty much the accepted practice I've experienced from Region 8 through to the east side of region 4. It isn't that I can't hunt there.
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Originally Posted by
J_T
Thanks for recognizing that, I was trying to concur with you. You can't save a spot by having something in place. You certainly can't demand they leave when you show up. My specific point was, if it is something of value, like a treestand (not a hole in the ground with some dirt and brush piled on. Another user, should leave it alone.
Sorry about that ....guess I wasn't reading it properly. I don't hunt in populated areas so it really isn't a problem I've experienced much while hunting. But it has and does happen. Personally I could care less if someone wants to leave a couple hundred dollar stand in the bush and trust that it will be there for them when they return. Same goes with game cams. However I would have a big problem with someone telling me its their spot because they had a stand or blind set up. Fishing on the Skeena during the chinook run can be an exercise in frustration with people claiming spots for the duration of the summer by leaving a tent up or rod holders at the waters edge. I try to avoid these areas as well ....when I'm out hunting or fishing I'm out to enjoy the activity and not go face to face with some a-hole.
I'd also add that out of respect for the enjoyment of other, I remove my stands when I'm done at the end of day. This way I'm not encroaching on their right to fully use an area that I'm not physically occupying. So while you where concurring with my statements, you were doing so with a caveat.
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BuckNaked
Anyone can say they built it, just sayin...
This very thing happened to me years ago.
I built a blind 100 yards from a very well used deer trail and right beside the road.
I had been hunting this area for years so I knew it well.
I was in 30mins BEFORE legal shooting light.
I see the head lights of a truck coming up the road and stop right in front of "my" ground blind.
The door opens and a young guy gets out, so I turn on my flash light so they could see I was in there.
The guy said "someones in the blind dad".
The dad gets out and in a loud voice tells me to get out that it is their blind.
In a louder voice I said that I built it.
He was not happy I called him on his BS and drove up the road to where my dad was in another blind, and sat in the open 10 feet above him.
Dad said "what are you doing" ?
The reply was this is my spot and I'm hunting here.
Dad stayed until I came to get him a few hours later.
When I found out I went and had some words with the guy, mine were not so pleasant.
I never did see them in the area again.
Just my experience & 2cents.
If they were in "my" blind before me...no big deal...I will find another place to hunt and may do even better.