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Ace:
That made me chuckle.
You must be aware that a lot of people from all walks of life with all kinds of agendas monitor forums like this. Nothing is being kept secret, but there is a concept called "honesty with discretion". A public forum isn't the best place to share everything.
Big picture I don't think anyone is confused about what's going on with this information gathering. Access is a big issue. It's going to come up again. If we're going to deal with it we need to know the extent of the problem.
Is it all bad or is there some good?
Are all access restrictions the same, or do they come in different forms?
Are all reasons for access restrictions the same, or do they differ?
Are they all initiated by FNs, or are some done by corporations?
The more you look the more questions come up.
If you are a member, ping me directly through here or email me at rob@robchipman.net or call me at 604-230-4225. I'll make time for you. I appreciate any help you can offer.
Thanx For doing this Rob
I don't have any firsthand knowledge of this, only heard the rumors of what was going on in region 6, which have already been posted here.
For my 2 cents though, I'm leery of more access restrictions that solely target hunters, but I'm certainly not opposed to more vehicle closures if they were enforced. It seems there's nowhere you cant drive a vehicle in some areas and roads everywhere. Its been well documented that roads lead to serious sedimentation issues in fish bearing streams. The best of us will continue to explore beyond the crowds. But the jackass hunters, and I think we all know there are some have no interest in walking further from the truck than they can throw their beer can.
Beyond that its not just the bottom of the barrel hunters but the offroaders too. I've lost count of how many boggy areas I saw destroyed by an atv going through, chewing it up and the next guy going a little bit wide, chewing that up and the next guy doing the same.
Even a restriction about keeping motorized vehicles on main lines only would help if it were enforced. I know its not most people but there seem to be lots of people who think that as long as theyre not tossing empties out the window everything is good.
The point of doing it is to protect non-Indigenous hunter's ability to access land to hunt.
With 100+% of B.C. being claimed as Traditional Territory, without legal standing to access Traditional Territory, B.C. hunters will soon find that while their government will sell them hunting licences, there is no land that they can legally access to hunt.
Yes, taking this to court will be a big undertaking. Larger than any court case B.C. or Canadian hunters have ever done before.
But there is no alternative.
Without legal standing to access Land, hunting by non-Indigenous hunters will soon be at the whim of First Nation governments.
The access data the BWF is seeking to collect is important.
However, it it pointless unless the real concern is addressed.
It doesn't take a visionary to see the current direction of hunting access and wildlife management.
Currently, the path leads to the end of hunting in B.C by non-Indigenous people.
It is critical that a turn is made, regardless of how difficult that first step of the Path may be.
Remember how I constantly bugged people here to recognize the importance of the B.C. government declaring hunting and fishing as Essential?
These are the little things that must be written in stone then used to hammer those that seek to take away our Natural rights.
Developing the Legal documentation of historic land use by non-indigenous peoples are part of the hammer.
BINGO!! https://www.tnof.ca/styles/default/x...s/Pozitive.gif
Very Well Said! And indeed something we best be paying rather serious attention to!!
Cheers,
Nog
Hey Rob...
You might want to look into how the Sunshine Coast Regional District (SCRD) is dealing with the Province and Sechelt Indian Band re: renaming places along the Sunshine Coast. In particular, the renaming of Madeira Park.
While technically not access, there are learning opportunities there.
"Remember how I constantly bugged people here to recognize the importance of the B.C. government declaring hunting and fishing as Essential?"
I brought that up in discussions with FLNRORD, because as many of you may know, there are laws and then there are regulations....
Last fall, when access restrictions became an issue, we argued that hunting and fishing had been deemed essential.
The government, at bureaucratic regulation level said "Oh yes, 100% correct. The devil, however, is in the details, and while hunting and fishing are essential, we've looked it over and we *consider* hunting and fishing that requires travel reverts into "recreation" and so therefore is not deemed essential".
As WB has pointed out, both in this post and earlier ones, we need to cement that advantage.
"Developing the Legal documentation of historic land use by non-indigenous peoples are part of the hammer."
Correct.
All that said, a lot of this starts with data. If you can swamp me with access data, good, bad, indifferent, FNs, corporate, whatever, please do it. If your buddy told you a story over beers, run him down and get details.
Not sure what info you are actually seeking, but we quit hunting Region 6 due to constant interactions with the Taltan and Kaska,,,our last trip was in 2019,,tried to go into the Cassier, and the Kaska drove in and asked us to leave,,we left, as we figured if we didnt they would burn our camp when we went out for the day,,,went up to just south of the Yukon Border,,same thing happened,,,spun around and went down to Tatogga,,camped at the resort,,hunted the rail grade and encountered the Taltan in there,,just got sick of the constant harassment, so we went to the Koots this past year