Re: Fraser salmon runs blocked
DFO, the Province of BC and news sites report that the slide occurred between June 21 and 23 this year.
https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/s...slide-incident
Where is the evidence that it occurred last year?
Re: Fraser salmon runs blocked
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Originally Posted by
Bugle M In
They should just do what they did many years ago when the Fraser River became blocked.
(Not sure if it was the Railways or who, but was human caused and blocked the river severely!!, I just cant find the "History" on it)
Anyways, the FN were upset (rightfully so!) at the lack of effort ot fix the issues before it devastated salmon stocks.
So, the builts a wooden "Sluice" you could say.
They got the salmon on the down river side, brought them up to the ramp sluices, and sent them down the ramps till they were passed the
the blocked river.
Do that!
Then, once the runs are done, "light Er up with some TnT" (or whatever they did to fix it back then)
1913 and 1914 railway blasting blcoked the river and it wasn't really fixed until the building of the fishways began in 1944.
Meanwhile the Adams River run was nearly wiped out and the cycle of dominant and sub-dominant sockeye runs in the river was swapped around from historical returns.
Improvised flumes and transfer of salmon in 1914 got 16,500 sockeye and 850 springs up river past the slide area.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hells_...tish_Columbia)
Re: Fraser salmon runs blocked
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Originally Posted by
Hublocker
In response to a significant landslide discovered between June 21 and 23, 2019 in a narrow portion of the Fraser River near Big Bar, just north of Lillooet, B.C., a unified command incident management team (PDF) has been established.
Officials learned of the Big Bar Landslide in late June. After examining satellite imagery, data indicates the slide may have occurred in late October or early November.
Re: Fraser salmon runs blocked
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Originally Posted by
BRvalley
In response to a significant landslide discovered between June 21 and 23, 2019 in a narrow portion of the Fraser River near Big Bar, just north of Lillooet, B.C., a unified command incident management team (PDF) has been established.
Officials learned of the Big Bar Landslide in late June. After examining satellite imagery, data indicates the slide may have occurred in late October or early November.
Thank you.
Re: Fraser salmon runs blocked
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Originally Posted by
Hublocker
1913 and 1914 railway blasting blcoked the river and it wasn't really fixed until the building of the fishways began in 1944.
Meanwhile the Adams River run was nearly wiped out and the cycle of dominant and sub-dominant sockeye runs in the river was swapped around from historical returns.
Improvised flumes and transfer of salmon in 1914 got 16,500 sockeye and 850 springs up river past the slide area.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hells_...tish_Columbia)
Thanks Hub, that's the incident I was referring to.
That's why "history" is important folks.
It can tell you what others did and what will work.
And a lot of those folks didn't have university engineering degrees etc.
(Actually, it was probably the Engineers that screwed it all up back then anyways!)
Get the fish over the blockage with assistance and then fix it after the run.
That or put some sort of net up down river to keep salmon from going up (without harming them) and then go ahead and blow it up and open.
Remove net, let salmon go.
Re: Fraser salmon runs blocked
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Bugle M In
They should just do what they did many years ago when the Fraser River became blocked.
(Not sure if it was the Railways or who, but was human caused and blocked the river severely!!, I just cant find the "History" on it)
Anyways, the FN were upset (rightfully so!) at the lack of effort ot fix the issues before it devastated salmon stocks.
So, the builts a wooden "Sluice" you could say.
They got the salmon on the down river side, brought them up to the ramp sluices, and sent them down the ramps till they were passed the
the blocked river.
Do that!
Then, once the runs are done, "light Er up with some TnT" (or whatever they did to fix it back then)
When a slide happened in the past , What did the stewards of the land do ? Maybe they can fix it them self?
Re: Fraser salmon runs blocked
Yeah,what they need to do RIGHT NOW,not ‘next month’ or after they ‘study it’is to physically get those salmon over the blockage and then clear the channel when the river drops and the fish have all gone though.
Re: Fraser salmon runs blocked
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Originally Posted by
ratherbefishin
Yeah,what they need to do RIGHT NOW,not ‘next month’ or after they ‘study it’is to physically get those salmon over the blockage and then clear the channel when the river drops and the fish have all gone though.
Exactly.
Figure it out later. (the blockage/slide)
Address the real concern right now to get the salmon upstream past it.
Re: Fraser salmon runs blocked
That’s not the government way,first they have to document it,then do an environmental study ,then they have to do an geological study on the condition of the rock banks and then they have to study the potential environmental impact of blasting the rock on potential endangered species of bullheads in the river,stonefly larvae and crayfish and then put it out to tender and finally they might do it,over budget and late ...maybe by next spring.Meanwhile we lose a salmon run....that’s the way government operates..
Re: Fraser salmon runs blocked
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Originally Posted by
ratherbefishin
That’s not the government way,first they have to document it,then do an environmental study ,then they have to do an geological study on the condition of the rock banks and then they have to study the potential environmental impact of blasting the rock on potential endangered species of bullheads in the river,stonefly larvae and crayfish and then put it out to tender and finally they might do it,over budget and late ...maybe by next spring.Meanwhile we lose a salmon run....that’s the way government operates..
Yup, and we wonder why our taxes just keep going up.
In the old days when this happened, they just got a bunch of 2x4's and plywood and some really big hand nets.
Then went to work and got er done!