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CanAm500
02-20-2006, 08:30 PM
A couple friends (all resbonsible and legal gun owners) were talking about; Why we dont have the right to home defence.

Is it ture in Canada that we do not have the right to protect ourselfs, our families, or our property? So if someone broke into your home with a firearm, you do not have the right to take up arms and defend yourself.

My dad was talking to a security specialist and he said that the only way you could take up arms is if you are trapped (in a room in your house), and had no way to escape.

I just want your guy's saying's or ideas on this.

hunter1947
02-20-2006, 08:42 PM
If my life was at risk,,,i would do anything i could to protect myself and my family. hunter 47.

CanAm500
02-20-2006, 08:47 PM
Would you wait untill your were trapped, or would you run and grab the biggest firearm you could find?

deerhunter
02-20-2006, 08:52 PM
Personally I'd rather rot in jail than listen to my wife or kids,or dog being abused by some lowlife home invader,I'd shoot and figger it out later regardless of the outcome.Just my thought.Rick

LOC
02-20-2006, 09:03 PM
I would defend - and not need to be trapped. Between the bear spray, air rifle and a few other goodies I keep handy, I shouldn't even need to get into the gun safe ;-) A blunt or judo arrow coming down the stairs from a 60# bow should work too...

something else that just came to mind. I was told that you had a better chance using force and getting away with it if you were attempting a citizens arrest than in self defence? Anyone know if this is true?

Poguebilt
02-20-2006, 09:12 PM
My family comes first PERIOD.

SHOOT FIRST.

timberhunter
02-20-2006, 09:13 PM
I'd rather be judged by twelve.

Than carried by six.


Nuff said8)

bsa30-06
02-20-2006, 09:51 PM
Well said timberhunter.

Onesock
02-20-2006, 10:54 PM
You have a way with words Mark!!!! Right on.

Tuffcity
02-20-2006, 10:59 PM
You have the right to defend yourself, or anyone else for that matter, from grievous bodily harm or death, using whatever level of force you feel is necessary to stop that threat. Check the Criminal Code of Canada (to lazy at this moment to look up the exact section and wording :))RC

000buck
02-20-2006, 11:11 PM
the security guy is right , THERE MUST BE A RESONABLE BELIEF OF IMMINANT PERSONAL HARM WITH NO PERCEPTABLE CHANCE OF ESCAPE AND THEN ONLY RESONABLE FORCE MAY BE USED TO PREVENT PERSONAL INJURY....... SCREW THAT YOU BRING A GUN TO MY HOUSE, YOU CAME FOR A GUN FIGHT, NEVER BRING A KNIFE CAUSE MY EYES AIN'T THAT GOOD

timberhunter
02-21-2006, 12:05 AM
No need to check the law.

Just check to make sure there is one in the chamber;-)

Fred
02-21-2006, 01:29 AM
The NFA has printed two very good books on this very subject. Using those two books as eference material and for advice before the fact will keep one out of trouble with the law while still enabling you to protect your home.
I had these books several years ago but do not remember enough of them to offer advice and the books have been lost to me now. They are well worth the few dollars they cost for the information therein. Fred

huntwriter
02-21-2006, 03:08 AM
The way I see it self defence is not something I leave up to politicans to decide for me. To me this is a very basic human right and if I would come into a position where I have to use self defense I would happily break any law.

No government has the right to demand that people should give in to violent criminals. Neither is it an option for me to convert my home into a high security prison and/or adjust my daily activities to criminal activity. It's the criminals that should be terriefied of what might happen to them and not we being frightend of criminals.

hunter1947
02-21-2006, 06:35 AM
Would you wait untill your were trapped, or would you run and grab the biggest firearm you could find? It is not easy getting to my fire arms,,there locked up and the bullets are locked up ellswere,,with the bolts,,but i would do whatever it would take to protect myself and my wife when it come down to it,,i have a baseball bat under my bed and 2 mean dogs that would not like a creeps coming into our house. wayne.

3kills
02-21-2006, 06:54 AM
I'd rather be judged by twelve.

Than carried by six.


Nuff said8)

couldnt have said it better myself....

boxhitch
02-21-2006, 07:04 AM
I think that the intent of the Cdn. firearms storage laws are to assure that the gun is not the first choice of an offensive/defensive weapon.
And just so that we are sympathetic towards the BG's (they have rights too) we are not allowed to use 'excessive force' in self defense. So, if BG has bare hands and a loud voice, you better not have much of a weapon in hand or face possible charges.
Would I live by this ? NFW !!!

CanAm500
02-21-2006, 08:27 AM
Well said all.

Dragginbait
02-21-2006, 08:40 AM
Do what ever it takes. A "time out" wont work if there young and it sure as hell won't work when there old enough to break into your house. (BAD BURGLAR, go sit in the corner and think about what you just did!!!) I was thinking about getting a paint ball gun and keeping the paint balls in the freezer.

mark
02-21-2006, 09:02 AM
i say do the world some good and wax the scumbag! then he'll never bother anyone again! even if the cops catch him hes out the next day and robbing someone else the next night! am i not right lc. (i pity the bugger if i catch someone in my house)

Fred
02-21-2006, 09:49 AM
The police do not have a mandate to protect people, they are there to try to catch the offenders. I am fairly certain though that any peace officer would try to help out if they were on the scene when the feces hit the fan. Realistically the chances of them being there when needed is just about nil.
As to the storage laws, they were put there to protect overzelous gun-cops. When your door flys in in the middle of the night and all is shouting and confusion, they want to know that one does not have ready access to ones (up til then) legal firearms! Fred

Johnnybear
02-21-2006, 10:26 AM
My brother in law has a friend in Saskatoon that is a city cop there. His friend told him if someone is armed in your house and it is clear that they are going to attack you your better off making sure you kill them because if you injure them your going to go away for sure because with the help of a lawyer they will twist the story around so bad it will make you look like the bad guy.

I had a friend in high school that woke up one night to his little brother screaming for help. He ran into his bedroom to find a masked individual that had come through his window rummaging through his stuff. My buddy proceeded to beat the crap out of the burgular and detain her. That's right when he pulled off the balaclava it was a 15 year old girl. Anyways when the cops showed up they said good job to him and and patted him on the back and told him they were looking for this individual.

Does anyone know the laws or regulations to do with those handgun vaults that are finger activated that you can bolt to the floor under your bed?

Kirby
02-21-2006, 11:03 AM
a friend of my granfathers shot a home invader. He was 72, shot the burgler with a .22, he died in prison at 77, however personally, if they break into my house, I manage to get down to the base ment, unlock the safe, load my shotgun, and then they threaten me. I'd go for center mass, all 5 shots, reload, and repeat as needed.

Kirby

Fido
02-21-2006, 11:21 AM
Well a good friend of mine who is a cop said always fire a warning shot and since the bad guy is now dead in your house with a knife or other deadly weapon in there hand he can't talk just my 2cents.

johnes50
02-21-2006, 12:23 PM
Well a good friend of mine who is a cop said always fire a warning shot and since the bad guy is now dead in your house with a knife or other deadly weapon in there hand he can't talk just my 2cents.
I was once told the same thing by an RCMP friend. Bang your dead. OOPS, I'm sorry. Never bring a knife to a gun fight.

mark
02-21-2006, 12:33 PM
very nice to see we all feel the same on this one, whats important is if anyone, anywhere ever has to kill an intruder to
(protect his home or family) that we show them a ton of public support so they are not persecuted for doing what we would all do in the same situation! (i think this is a first for HBC where everyone agrees on a topic)

Gateholio
02-21-2006, 12:43 PM
If you are ever faced with this situation shoot (or swing, or stab) to STOP.

YOu are trying to STOP the person from doing you or your family harm. You are NOT trying to kill him, wound him, maim him, blow him away, whatever, just stop him

You are legally entitiled to use force to defend yourself in Canada, and if the force you must use to prevent serious injury to yourself or family involves lethal force, that is legal, as long as it is justified.

IE- If you are 6 ft 250 lbs and built like a linebacker, and you shoot a skinny 15 year old that is unarmed, you probably are going to be treated more harshly by the law than is you were a 70 year old granny that shot a unarmed 6ft linebacker while he broke into her home!:-D

(incidently, one of the arguments people have AGAINST guns for defense is "why not use a baseball bat?" The way to deflate this argument is to say "Don't you htink your granny has the same rigth to self defense that I do? She can't swing a bat!!");)

youngfellla
02-21-2006, 01:03 PM
Home Security

Johnnybear
02-21-2006, 01:32 PM
Does anyone know the laws or regulations to do with those handgun vaults that are finger activated that you can bolt to the floor under your bed?

Anyone know

mark
02-21-2006, 02:19 PM
wouldnt really help cuz the law states that the gun must be unloaded and the ammo stored seperately so what good would it do. The law keeps us unsafe!

CanAm500
02-21-2006, 02:33 PM
Home Security


Thats your alarm and private security guard :p

Gateholio
02-21-2006, 03:14 PM
Does anyone know the laws or regulations to do with those handgun vaults that are finger activated that you can bolt to the floor under your bed?

Yes, they are legal to use, however I would think that they *may* be classified as a 'cas' rather than a 'vault' so a trigger lock is probbaly required.

It is perfeclty legal to store your ammo in the same case or vault that your fireamrs are in, so you could leglaly have a loaded magazine in the finger activated vault.