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steelheadSABO
09-09-2008, 04:58 PM
just wondering is a 3030 powerful anough for black bear with 160 grain lever evoloutions.

huntwriter
09-09-2008, 05:19 PM
30-30 with a 130 grain bullet will work fine at shorter ranges. Ideally though you would want something in the .270, 30-06 or even a 7mm.

If a 30-30 is all you have got than it will do just fine as long you do not try to get a bear way out there.

Kechika
09-09-2008, 05:25 PM
Black Bears are wimps.

johnes50
09-09-2008, 06:00 PM
A 30-30 is just fine.

wolverine
09-09-2008, 06:02 PM
Not my first choice but if you don't get much over 100yds and place your shot really well, it will do. I wouldn't go picking on any real monsters with it though. Be prepared for a quick follow up shot and keep shooting until it's down.

moosinaround
09-09-2008, 06:23 PM
Hell yes! I prefer my 300 win mag, but a 30-30 will kill em! Just put the shot in the right place! Moosin

Barracuda
09-09-2008, 06:27 PM
A well placed shot will do the trick but you dont have alot of room for error.

Dukeoflawnchair
09-09-2008, 06:44 PM
Like everyone else is suggesting, the cartridge will certainly do the job with proper shot placement and within its ballistic limitations.

That being said, there are far more suitable cartridges with longer reaches and greater clout. In fact, there are a number of inexpensive 30.06 rifles on the market that would provide both the opportunity for further shots as well as greater confidence in "killing power".

Depending on your timeline and finances, I would recommend upgrading cartridge sizes...

I would really hate to make the decision to pass up a great shot simply because of my rifles limitations.

..."I wish I had my ____ here..."

Or to the next degree, I would really hate to take the shot and have it not do the job for the same reason...

killman
09-09-2008, 06:50 PM
Like everyone say's within 100 yds no problem. My Dad has shot many bears and moose with his.

steelheadSABO
09-09-2008, 06:55 PM
i have i 270 but no time to sight it in yet so if i dont get anything i will sight it in and use it later in the season

Wolfman
09-09-2008, 07:15 PM
Hell yes! I prefer my 300 win mag, but a 30-30 will kill em! Just put the shot in the right place! Moosin

When I move up in that neck 'o' the woods I'm going hunting with you ;-)

I bet you can get a griz with an elastic band too :-P

Wolfman

Gateholio
09-09-2008, 07:25 PM
If you can't kill a black bear wiht a 30-30, you are either too far away, or can't put the bullet in the rigth place.:-D

Stick to broadside lung shots, and you will be styling.:wink:

spiker
09-09-2008, 07:58 PM
Two bears that i've quartered or deboned have had small caliber bullets in them.If you want to drop a big bear then be prepared to do so.

Wildman
09-10-2008, 06:37 AM
Sure will.

moosinaround
09-10-2008, 08:17 AM
When I move up in that neck 'o' the woods I'm going hunting with you ;-)

I bet you can get a griz with an elastic band too :-P

Wolfman
Naw no grizz for this fellow. Too many bones!! Kind of like squaw fish and they taste fishy as well!!
If you would get your arse up here we could get a hunt or fish in! I'll show you the ancient trick for getting a grizz with nothing but a toothpick and some twine!!lol Moosin

FLHTCUI
09-10-2008, 09:07 AM
Black Bears are wimps.

Sure, coming form the guy who had a 375 H&H :)

Actually a well placed shot with a confident shooter who knows his/her firearm can do wonders .
If its all you got, shoot it and become one whith your gun and you can do most anything within reason.

Last bear I shot was with 180 gr partion from my .300 winmag A-bolt @ 30 yrds, both shoulders and clipped the heart/lungs. Boom -flop, game over.
Tight Groups !!!
Rob

eaglesnester
09-10-2008, 06:02 PM
Save the 30/30 for the eastern hunting you live in the west. Get a 30/06, 308, or 7mm. I like the 30/06 you can load a 210gr bullet. Try that on a 30/30. A 30/30 is too light and not hard hitting enough. It is barely acceptable for deer in the west, yes it will kill them but why go under guned. You owe it to your prey to make fast,efficient, humane kills. Better yet get a 338 for the west. It will take anything, even the great bears. With proper round selection you can take deer, elk, moose, grizz anything.

island grown
09-23-2008, 11:14 AM
well everyone gave good opinions for ya. i agree with the people that talk about shot placement. become one with your rifle!! i know i'm still trying.

just for interest. there used to be a guy name "Clayton Mack" that lived in Bella Coola and Bella Bella area back in the 40's and 50's i believe. he used to take the rich trophy hunters out grizzly bear hunting. the only rifle he carried was a 30/30. must be all about shot placement.

if anyone is interested he wrote a few books. one good one is called "Grizzly's and White Guys". there's some pretty funny stories in there.

cheers

4570hunter
09-23-2008, 11:19 AM
I have a 45/70 and bar none it will for all purposes kill anything in North America or African, any size, any time and all the time.

BiG Boar
09-23-2008, 12:25 PM
30/30 has taken the most game in all of north america. Bet there were a couple black bears in that sum. Is there better choices out there? Yes, will it do the job in a pinch? Yes. But a 22 could kill a black bear too.

Rock Doctor
09-23-2008, 02:12 PM
Some people say that the 3030 has killed more animals than all other calibers combined................Many of those same people agree that the 3030 has wounded more animals than all other calibers combined.;-)

RD

dutchie
09-30-2008, 07:14 PM
I am just getting into hunting but i have talked to alot of very experianced hunters, and the advice i got was the magnum cal rifles are possibly the most versitle rifles out there... but if you can not afford a good quality mag, a good quality 30-06 is just as good. (you can load a 110gr up to a 220gr depending on the game)

I have a 2 friends that shoot the savage $499 30-06 combo and it is possible the most inconsistant gun out there from what i have seen. they are shooting a 4" grouping at 100 yds. not even hitting paper at 200yds, but pinning it at 200 with my A-Bolt.

Keep in mind I have heard of people taking a bear with a bow, that is shooting at 350fps. a 3030 will do 7 times that velocity but it is acuracy that counts in this game.

Remember a hunter that has been shooting for 25yrs is no more accurate then his rifle.

TimberPig
10-01-2008, 06:22 PM
I am just getting into hunting but i have talked to alot of very experianced hunters, and the advice i got was the magnum cal rifles are possibly the most versitle rifles out there... but if you can not afford a good quality mag, a good quality 30-06 is just as good. (you can load a 110gr up to a 220gr depending on the game)

I have a 2 friends that shoot the savage $499 30-06 combo and it is possible the most inconsistant gun out there from what i have seen. they are shooting a 4" grouping at 100 yds. not even hitting paper at 200yds, but pinning it at 200 with my A-Bolt.

Keep in mind I have heard of people taking a bear with a bow, that is shooting at 350fps. a 3030 will do 7 times that velocity but it is acuracy that counts in this game.

Remember a hunter that has been shooting for 25yrs is no more accurate then his rifle.

Your very experienced hunter buddies are wrong. You don't need a magnum for hunting in BC. They aren't necessarily more versatile either. They are simply another rifle chambering that may or may not be necessary or appropriate for the game you are hunting. For experienced shooters and some game and hunting situations, they may be appropriate; most hunters overuse and overstate the necessity of shooting a magnum.

As to the accuracy of the Savages your friends have versus your A-Bolt, shooting skill, gun fit etc could come into play here. Savages are noted for their accuracy, the combos are noted for crappy scopes. There's more to that story than your blanket generalization implies.

A bow kills by driving a flying razor blade through vital areas of an animal, causing massive blood loss, not by shock and trauma. The speed the arrow is traveling helps impart more energy to drive the arrow through, but velocity alone is not the important factor. Comparing a .30-30 to an arrow based on velocity alone is completely irrelevant to the question asked.

Bigbear
10-02-2008, 04:34 PM
30-30- With 180 Gr Flat nose will drop a Black Bear Flat. Upto 100 Yards. Binderdundat

eaglesnester
10-05-2008, 06:40 PM
A 30/30 would not be my choice for hunting any big game critter in B.C. They can do the job within
narrow limitations of range if the shooter has the skill to shoot well for accurate bullet placement and he knows his weapon well. Remember you have limited your capabilities in the bush with a 30/30 regardless of bullet or gr wt selection.

eaglesnester
11-02-2008, 01:39 PM
No it is not

roblikestohunt
11-02-2008, 01:47 PM
30-30 will do the trick at close range, i wouldnt try for any shots over 80-100 yds, you may spend the day looking for the bear or worst case not find him at all!!! personally i like the .270 does the trick just fine, wouldnt hurt to upgrade a caliber or so....Good luck!!!

Slime green cat
11-05-2008, 08:10 PM
If it aint a magnum, it may as well be a pea shooter .
For a black bear you want at least a 338 win mag with a 250 grain bullet as an absolute minimum .... hell, I wouldn't even go after a coyote with anything less than a 300 mag :cool:

LeverActionJunkie
11-05-2008, 08:26 PM
I wouldn't worry about it at all.

Islandman
11-05-2008, 09:14 PM
you can kill a bear with a .22 if your shot is well placed, but I prefer my .338 mag. It's down, done, and over

Moosenose
11-05-2008, 09:26 PM
Yes, you can kill a black bear with a 30-30, I have done it several times.
My dad did it all his life, deer and moose also. His old model 94 was open sights and good to about 100 yards.

Sunny
11-05-2008, 09:47 PM
no problem under 100yds

pinebushman
11-28-2008, 10:36 AM
No problem at all. Poke a hole in the boiler room and watch him fall!

Shot a brute of one last year with a .308 and 150g
I would not hesitate to use a .30/30, but as always I would only take the proper shot.

Will
11-28-2008, 05:26 PM
No BlackBear I shot with my 30-30 ever lived long enough to complain about it.
And there was more then a few....:wink:

Inside of a 100 meters with a 170 grain pill(any factory load will do) and you'll soon be up to your armpits in the stinkiest greasiest thing you've ever imagined !

And I ain't talking about my sister :razz:

325 wsm
11-30-2008, 12:15 AM
in the yukon we call it the dirty thirty....just say no

Legi0n
11-30-2008, 11:57 AM
I have a 2 friends that shoot the savage $499 30-06 combo and it is possible the most inconsistant gun out there from what i have seen. they are shooting a 4" grouping at 100 yds. not even hitting paper at 200yds, but pinning it at 200 with my A-Bolt.


I shoot the 30-06 Savage combo with 180gr bullets and I'm getting sub MOA accuracy.
It wasn't always like this. The rifle really kicks back and I was twitching in anticipation of the recoil. Once I developed a technique to reduce the perceived recoil, my groups shrunk considerably.
At 200m, the bullet drop is about 6 inches but that's because I'm using lighter loads to reduce copper fouling.
I have yet to shoot it at a bear because they know it'll do the job just fine and keep avoiding me.

http://members.shaw.ca/le_r0umain/Savage_3006_49.7gr_IMR4350_180gr_100m.jpg

Legi0n
11-30-2008, 12:03 PM
you can kill a bear with a .22 if your shot is well placed, but I prefer my .338 mag. It's down, done, and over

have you ever heard a bear laughing back at your 22?
it's really embarrasing :mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen:
just kidding :biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:

870
12-08-2008, 11:28 PM
3030 no problem.