New BC law

[Dutch]

https://www.leg.bc.ca/parliamentary-business/legislation-debates-proceedings/42nd-parliament/1st-session/bills/first-reading/gov04-1 better look into this guys Quote;A person must not discharge a firearm in, on or from a vehicle or boat. boat" means a vessel or other craft in, on or by which a person or thing may be transported or drawn on water; GUESS THAT MAKES PUNT HUNTING EXTINCT ..

[Arctic Lake]

Dutch does that pertain to hunting though ? We need to find out about this !
Arctic Lake

[mastercaster]

As far as discharging a firearm from a boat maybe they mean while it's running??

Just like when you're hunting big game. You could always shoot a moose from a boat but the motor had to be turned off and the leg of the engine had to be lifted out of the water.

[Dutch]

As far as discharging a firearm from a boat maybe they mean while it's running??

Just like when you're hunting big game. You could always shoot a moose from a boat but the motor had to be turned off and the leg of the engine had to be lifted out of the water.
Don't know Brent says nothing about hunting these are Firearm regs .read some more about the clubs responsibilities ,.Trying to see how the province supersedes the Feds ??

[VLD43]

Bot some this seems like an over reach. I wonder what runkle of the bailey will think of this.

[Beachcomber]

That is concerning. Currently the regs state, you can't hunt from a boat, "unless the boat is beached, resting atanchor or fastened within or tied immediately along side a fixed hunting blind." Reading this law makes it seem as though this is no longer allowed.

Would the province have to amend the existing hunting regs to account for this change?

[Beachcomber]

Then again, this is a "First Reading" meaning it is not yet a law:

"At the first reading, the bill’s sponsor introduces the proposed bill and explains its purpose. MLAs do not discuss the bill’s merits at this point, but simply vote on whether to accept it for future debate. If they vote yes, the bill is scheduled for second reading – to give MLAs time to study it."

https://www.leg.bc.ca/content-peo/Learning-Resources/How-a-Bill-Becomes-Law-English-print.pdf

Probably worth a letter though...

[Sharpish]

As far as discharging a firearm from a boat maybe they mean while it's running??

Just like when you're hunting big game. You could always shoot a moose from a boat but the motor had to be turned off and the leg of the engine had to be lifted out of the water.

That’s actually untrue. You can shoot birds with the motor tilted but you can’t shoot a moose from a power boat. The wording is very very tricky.

[Beachcomber]

That’s actually untrue. You can shoot birds with the motor tilted but you can’t shoot a moose from a power boat. The wording is very very tricky.

Can you point us to the wording? As far as I can tell a power boat is not a power boat if the leg is tilted. From the regs:

"Power Boat - means a boat, canoe or yacht powered by electric, gasoline, oil, steam or other mechanical means, but does not include a boat powered manually nor a boat with an outboard motor provided the motor is tiltedor otherwise disengaged so as not to be ready for immediate use."

[Arctic Lake]

This is how I understood the hunting regulation . We need clarification !
Arctic Lake

As far as discharging a firearm from a boat maybe they mean while it's running??

Just like when you're hunting big game. You could always shoot a moose from a boat but the motor had to be turned off and the leg of the engine had to be lifted out of the water.

[Ron.C]

I guess the question is, if passed will this proposed legislation affect common legal hunting methods we currently employ in BC?

I hunt waterfowl out of a layout canoe.

Is the intent "Unless engaged in a legal hunt in accordance with the BC Wildlife Act........a person must not discharge a firearm from a boat."? Either the people that drafted this proposal don't understand current provisions under the BC Wildlife act, or they do.

We shall see but this troubles me. I think waterfowlers need to be concerned.


"boat" means a vessel or other craft in, on or by which a person or thing may be transported or drawn on water

Prohibition against discharging firearm from vehicle or boat

5 A person must not discharge a firearm in, on or from a vehicle or boat.

[wbeasley13]

Anybody notice this section:

Prohibition against operating vehicle if certain
firearms, ammunition or devices in vehicle6 (1) Despite the definition of "vehicle" in section 1 [definitions], in this section, "vehicle" does not include any of the following:
(a) a device used exclusively on stationary rails or tracks in, on or by which a person or thing is or may be transported;
(b) a prescribed vehicle, machine or device.
(2) A person must not operate a vehicle if any of the following is in or on the vehicle:
(a) a non-restricted firearm, prohibited firearm or restricted firearm;
(b) prohibited ammunition;
(c) a prohibited device.
(3) If any firearm, ammunition or device referred to in subsection (2) is in or on a vehicle, a person who operates the vehicle contravenes subsection (2) whether or not the vehicle is in motion.

[Arctic Lake]

Sorry but Im not sure I have the time to pick this thing apart, but maybe someone on here does ,and find out how this new bill would conflict with the BC hunting regulations .
This bill if I’m correct was supposed to target gang violence with firearms
Arctic Lake

[mastercaster]

Sorry but Im not sure I have the time to pick this thing apart, but maybe someone on here does ,and find out how this new bill would conflict with the BC hunting regulations .
This bill if I’m correct was supposed to target gang violence with firearms
Arctic Lake

And when has the law or a new bill ever stopped criminals and gang members carrying illegal firearms from doing what they want to do? lol

[Beachcomber]

Anybody notice this section:

Prohibition against operating vehicle if certain
firearms, ammunition or devices in vehicle

6 (1) Despite the definition of "vehicle" in section 1 [definitions], in this section, "vehicle" does not include any of the following:
(a) a device used exclusively on stationary rails or tracks in, on or by which a person or thing is or may be transported;
(b) a prescribed vehicle, machine or device.
(2) A person must not operate a vehicle if any of the following is in or on the vehicle:
(a) a non-restricted firearm, prohibited firearm or restricted firearm;
(b) prohibited ammunition;
(c) a prohibited device.
(3) If any firearm, ammunition or device referred to in subsection (2) is in or on a vehicle, a person who operates the vehicle contravenes subsection (2) whether or not the vehicle is in motion.

The follwoing section reads

7 A person does not contravene section 6 (2) if, in respect of the non-restricted firearm, prohibited firearm, restricted firearm, prohibited ammunition or prohibited device that is in or on the vehicle,
(a) the person or another occupant of the vehicle is authorized under the federal Act to possess the firearm, ammunition or device,
(b) in the case of a prohibited firearm or restricted firearm that is in or on the vehicle, the person or another occupant of the vehicle is authorized under the federal Act to transport and, if applicable, carry the firearm, and
(c) the firearm, ammunition or device is being transported, carried or stored in a manner that complies with requirements under the federal Act.

[303savage]

I thought firearms were under federal, That is a long list of bull shit..

[MRP]

The proposed law says, "A person must not discharge a firearm in, on or from a vehicle or boat."
The definition says, ""boat"" "means a vessel or other craft in, on or by which a person or thing may be transported or drawn on water"

No canoes, punts, rafts, nothing that floats. The old reg about power boats will not apply anymore. The age old hunting moose from a canoe would be gone.

[Arctic Lake]

Oh I hear you ! I’m just repeating what the government says !
Arctic Lake

And when has the law or a new bill ever stopped criminals and gang members carrying illegal firearms from doing what they want to do? lol

[Arctic Lake]

I need to find out about this !
Arctic Lake
The proposed law says, "A person must not discharge a firearm in, on or from a vehicle or boat."
The definition says, ""boat"" "means a vessel or other craft in, on or by which a person or thing may be transported or drawn on water"

No canoes, punts, rafts, nothing that floats. The old reg about power boats will not apply anymore. The age old hunting moose from a canoe would be gone.

[silveragent]

Because this is early in the bill, NOW is your opportunity to reach out to your MLA and tell them the proposed law is full of holes and impinges on your legal traditions.

The not being able to shoot from a boat is one thing.

Also the section on Shooting Ranges has severe implications for rural ranges where they do NOT have the resources to restrict access and check everyone's ID before use. Many of them are basically open, have drop boxes for fees and it is based on the honor system. This bill is aimed at urban ranges where we do control access ALREADY, underlining things we already do under the Federal range regulations and also in practice. But rural ranges have little option and one would question whether they are at risk at all from gang activity.

EDIT: removed the bit about body armor. Evidently PAL holders still are exempt

[MRP]

I need to find out about this !
Arctic Lake
Yes, hunting from a canoe should be a Canadian right.

[Downtown]

https://www.leg.bc.ca/parliamentary-business/legislation-debates-proceedings/42nd-parliament/1st-session/bills/first-reading/gov04-1 better look into this guys Quote;A person must not discharge a firearm in, on or from a vehicle or boat. boat" means a vessel or other craft in, on or by which a person or thing may be transported or drawn on water; GUESS THAT MAKES PUNT HUNTING EXTINCT ..

O Boy, do the really have nothing better to do.

Thanks for posting.

Cheers

[Beachcomber]

Noticed below in the paper this morning:

https://vancouversun.com/opinion/columnists/vaughn-palmer-green-mla-wins-pause-on-clause-in-firearms-bill

[Beachcomber]

Because this is early in the bill, NOW is your opportunity to reach out to your MLA and tell them the proposed law is full of holes and impinges on your legal traditions.

The not being able to shoot from a boat is one thing.

Also the section on Shooting Ranges has severe implications for rural ranges where they do NOT have the resources to restrict access and check everyone's ID before use. Many of them are basically open, have drop boxes for fees and it is based on the honor system. This bill is aimed at urban ranges where we do control access ALREADY, underlining things we already do under the Federal range regulations and also in practice. But rural ranges have little option and one would question whether they are at risk at all from gang activity.

EDIT: removed the bit about body armor. Evidently PAL holders still are exempt

I have emailed Mike Farnworth and cc'd my local (NDP) MLA as well as contacted the BCWF separately for their thoughts.

Minister Farnworth's email is PSSG.Minister@gov.bc.ca

[btridge]

https://www.leg.bc.ca/parliamentary-business/legislation-debates-proceedings/42nd-parliament/1st-session/bills/first-reading/gov04-1 better look into this guys Quote;A person must not discharge a firearm in, on or from a vehicle or boat. boat" means a vessel or other craft in, on or by which a person or thing may be transported or drawn on water; GUESS THAT MAKES PUNT HUNTING EXTINCT ..

WRONG.
You might want to read Bill 4-2021 paragraph 101 as well as the BC Wildlife Act paragraph 108(3) to put it in context.

[russm]

Noticed below in the paper this morning:

https://vancouversun.com/opinion/columnists/vaughn-palmer-green-mla-wins-pause-on-clause-in-firearms-bill

That just means it'll be adjusted to suit the natives,like how they can own an AR and I can't

[Arctic Lake]

Russ has anyone challenged this ?
Arctic Lake

That just means it'll be adjusted to suit the natives,like how they can own an AR and I can't

[Bubbacanuck]

I was looking to buy a punt from a guy to hunt ducks & geese from....guess I'll be waiting on making that purchase

[Beachcomber]

WRONG.
You might want to read Bill 4-2021 paragraph 101 as well as the BC Wildlife Act paragraph 108(3) to put it in context.

That is a good spot. I think there is some comfort to be taken from that amendment and the language suggests to me that they have considered the potential that one may shoot out a boat as a legitimate hunting method.

If I hear back from the minister clarifying this I will share the response.

[silveragent]

I would prefer it be outlined specifically to call out hunting as an exception rather than have the public and possibly law enforcement have to parse the exception the way it is written.

[VLD43]

If shooting from a boat is illegal, I don't know how a guy will retrieve a wounded bird in the water that is trying to avoid capture and or death. Will be some wounded birds out there. It will also make it very challenging for a CO to fine you for not retrieving game.

[mastercaster]

If shooting from a boat is illegal, I don't know how a guy will retrieve a wounded bird in the water that is trying to avoid capture and or death. Will be some wounded birds out there. It will also make it very challenging for a CO to fine you for not retrieving game.

Isn't this why god invented bird dogs. lol

[Beachcomber]

I would prefer it be outlined specifically to call out hunting as an exception rather than have the public and possibly law enforcement have to parse the exception the way it is written.

Yes, more clarity is preferable. I know the BCWF are on this and very concerned generally about the legislation

Hope everyone has written Farnworth and cc’d their MLA

[VLD43]

Isn't this why god invented bird dogs. lol

Yes if you have a bird dog. Are bird dogs now mandatory to hunt birds?

[russm]

Russ has anyone challenged this ?
Arctic Lake

No clue to be honest...

[mastercaster]

Yes if you have a bird dog. Are bird dogs now mandatory to hunt birds?

Can you imagine??? You'd start seeing bird dog pups being sold for as much as $2500-3000,,,,,still not expensive as those half breed phoo phoo designer dogs, though. haha