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Bow Walker
10-18-2007, 11:31 AM
Drop away (d/a) arrow rests are not new - they've been around now for a number years. The early ones were, by nature, rather experimental but continual improvements have brought this style of arrow rest to the forefront as far as reliable and accurate archery equipment are concerned.

Just what is a drop away arrow rest? The name describes the action and functionality of this rest – drop away. This type of rest is usually in the "down" position until the archer is almost at full draw - it only comes to the "up" position and contacts or supports the arrow during the last four to six inches of the shaft length.

At the release of the shot, the reverse action happens - the rest supports and is in contact with the arrow shaft only during the first (and crucial) portion of the shot - that is the first four to six inches of arrow travel. Then the arrow rest "falls away" by means of spring action, and has no further contact with the arrow shaft allowing free and unhindered travel of the arrow.

What are the advantages to using this type of arrow rest? There are several obvious benefits in using a d/a style of rest over the more common type of spring steel or prong arrow rests. First and foremost is the increase in accuracy of the shot. Secondly there is the benefit of having virtually no fletching contact with the arrow rest as the shaft leaves the bow. Thirdly there is the increase in the speed of the arrow itself.

There are some things that just should not happen at the moment of arrow release – minor flinching or jerking, minutely dropping the bow hand, convulsively grabbing the bow grip, or fletching contact with the arrow rest all adversely affect the accuracy of the shot. The archer, through the arrow rest’s contact with the shaft, can impart these things into the arrow, as it travels from the bow. Also the longer the arrow rest is contacting the shaft during the shot, the greater the friction and drag that is imparted to the arrow, thus reducing the speed of the arrow.

The huge advantage of a drop away arrow rest is that before any of the above mentioned movements or issues could affect the flight of the arrow, the arrow rest has dropped away and is no longer in contact with the shaft. Also, by dropping away from the arrow shaft, the speed of the arrow is increase by a measurable amount, typically from two to three feet per second.

If the arrow rest is in contact with the shaft during the full cycle of the shot there is the real possibility of the archer introducing bow-hand torque at the moment of the release and adversely influencing the accuracy of the arrow as it speeds down range to the intended target. Optimally the archer does not want the rest contacting the arrow shaft for any longer than is necessary for that rest to guide the arrow on its way to the target.

Of course proper setup, tuning, and maintenance of the drop away rest is critical in getting the full benefit of all the advantages of this type of arrow rest. Fortunately today’s drop away rests are very easy to install, setup, and maintain. Many of them are “full containment” types, which is a characteristic much in demand by bow hunters everywhere.

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Authored by: “Bow Walker” 10/18/2007:cool:

bruin
10-18-2007, 12:14 PM
I have been wondering about drop aways. I just picked up a compound for teh first time after several years of hunting with a recurve. My bow has a Whisker Bisket on it and I missed an opporunity on a big buck because it is so loud on the draw also I think it may be effecting my accuracy at longer distances. Have you found that to be true? Do you find these rests to be fairly quiet?? I do like the fact that these drop aways holds the arrow in place,. Thanks for posting, good read.

Bowzone_Mikey
10-18-2007, 06:18 PM
...
What are the advantages to using this type of arrow rest? There are several obvious benefits in using a d/a style of rest over the more common type of spring steel or prong arrow rests. First and foremost is the increase in accuracy of the shot. ...


While i agree with most of this .... I Have to take exeption to this point ... the reason being .... are not more accurate ... they are more forgiving ....maybe .... but there is a trade off ... there is more moving parts ...therefore more to mess up ..... If you look at a shooting line of most any archery compition you wont see many drop aways .... you will however see more Blade and basket launchers, ... Because they are simple and predictible ... while the drop aways are not, String failure ... not fully up ...etc....

I am not a fan of Dropaways for hunting ... I prefer containment rests ... less to go wrong ... arrow wont fall off, string tie point moved etc...etc.... ya sure ...you might loose 1 or 2 fps with a containment rest or up to 5fps(alegedally...Personally I have not lost any speed from my blade to to Whisker Bisquit) with the whisker types ....But IMHO ...give up a little ...gain alot.

If your form isnt top or you are one to tourqe your bow ... a dropaway might be better for you as those flaws wont show up as bad on the target bag ... but they are still there... dont fool yourself.

but since ae are on the topic of D/a ... I might suggest the Trophy Rigde Dropaway rest found at www.trophyridge.com (http://www.trophyridge.com)

Derek_Erickson
10-18-2007, 07:21 PM
I swear to god I tried tellin somebody sometyhing like this before, and they said, oh no no, whiskerbisket much better, well look at this


Just watch the video

http://www.qadinc.com/c-5-.aspx

mark
10-18-2007, 07:44 PM
I got the drop away and love it!

blaker_99
10-18-2007, 07:57 PM
I was told to go with the whisker by Tim at the Vernon Outdoor store when i bought my new Hoyt Vectrix. I really like how i can walk run crawl with an arrow in my rest without having to worry about my arrow falling out. I have yet to try a drop away style rest but why change what's working right? I've been shooting out to 60 yards and have found it to be very accurate and reliable. As far as noise is concerned I find it quite quiet and hae yet to spook any animals when drawing it back.

If anyone wants to check out a pretty cool looking whisker check out what Fuse Archery has to offer, they are made by Hoyt.

http://www.fusearchery.com/

Good luck guys and gals.

Bow Walker
10-18-2007, 09:08 PM
To one and all, it was obviously a crappy morning to be out and about, so being bored I sat down in front of the keyboard and had a bout of "verbal diarrhoea...however, that being said....:cool:

bruin - personally I find d/a's to be a noticeable quieter type of rest, not a whole lot but then it doesn't take much does it? As for accuracy at longer distances I don't think d/a's give any greater advantage over any other style of arrow rest. It's all in the setup, tuning, and the archer yanking on the string. As has been said many times - "it's not the nut on the bow, but the nut behind the bow." :lol:

BZ Mikey - a properly set up and maintained d/a will allow for cleaner, swifter arrow travel over the rest than will a rest that is in constant contact with the arrow shaft as it leaves the bow - whether that rest is a prong style or a WB full containment style.

As I stated in paragraph #8 - the rest needs to be properly set up and maintained - so should all of the equipment on the bow, whatever it is. As for the lineup of competitors, I agree that predominantly the serious target archers tend to go with the spring steel or lizard tongue style of rest. The spring steel type of arrow rest is perhaps the only full contact rest that has minimal arrow shaft contact throughout the shot.

But if memory serves me - that style of rest needs a bit of downward pressure from the arrow to aid in keeping it on the shelf. Once the arrow leaves the string and for all the length of the shaft before it clears the rest, the spring steel exerts an upward "bounce back" effect on the arrow shaft as it passes over the rest.

Speaking of containment, the APA Safari Twister (that I use on both my target and my hunting bows) is full containment, as with many other d/a's now on the market.

Oh yeah, the TR drop away is fairly popular but I've seen more Shakey Hunters than anything else - both on hunting rigs and on target bows. :wink:

blake - please be careful as you are pussy footing, crawling, running, jumping, and generally communing with nature. That is a pretty sharp point on the end of that stick you got there. Would hate to have to perform CPR on you. I'm not that way, don't you know.........

bruin
10-18-2007, 09:35 PM
Thanks for the input, how do you know my shooting style so well?:biggrin:

willyqbc
10-19-2007, 09:41 AM
I'll throw my .02 cents at this discussion. I believe that both the drop-away and the prong/lizard tongue style rests each have their own application where they will shine. For me I have found that for indoor FITA when I am shooting a heavy arrow with a very low poundage bow the prong style rest provides better accuracy. When shooting a light 3D arrow at high speeds the drop away has shown me it is the better choice. I can't say definately why this is but i have surmised a few things during my testing

1. a heavy FITA arrow which is usually accompanied by a very heavy feild point in a very low poundage bow can actually cause some unexplainable low hits when using a drop away rest. I suspect this is because the energy may not be enough to keep the tip of the arrow up and it may actually ride the drop of the rest a short ways before its momentum builds enough to keep it level

2. I think that a fixed rest can cause some erratic shots when used in a high speed 3D bow due to the tourquey nature of these set-ups. A light arrow high speed combination will cause much more flex in the arrow upon release, I surmise this can probably cause it to come off a fixed rest inconsistantly.

so...after having tried lots of different variations for different disciplines I have found that for me the fixed rest for slow heavy arrows and the drop away for the speed demons....just my experience, take it for what its worth!

Chris

Bow Walker
10-19-2007, 08:33 PM
Well said Chris - I agree with your "surmises". There is not much use for a prong style rest in hunting. They belong in the target venue.

My brother uses a prong style/lizard tongue rest on his Hoyt that has the aggressive cams. He's pulling about 65 lbs and the arrows (Fatboy 400's) are zinging along at just over 305 fps. Touchy setup but he seems to like it and can obviously handle it. I believe you met him at the Provincials? BOWSITTER, (Ron).

I am a huge fan of the drop away style rests - and especially my APA Safari Twisters. Yup, I use one on my hunting bow and one on my target setup. Although my target bow is not a speed bow by any means.

At the end of the day I still believe that whatever does the job for an individual - that is the rest (or any equipment for that matter) that should be used. Each to their own and may all of us have a ton of enjoyment out of what we are doing.

Bowzone_Mikey
10-20-2007, 08:47 PM
I have been having good luck with my 3D setup using 313 grian 400 lightspeeds out of a super tec at 62 pounds .... and my blade launcher .... I have gone from prongs to WB to 3 styles of Dropaways to wire baskets to a few differant blades ...and back again .... found i get my best results from either a Trophy taker spring steel or a GKF TKO set up in blade in .10 blades

but I am happy with it and thats all that really in my world ...if yer happy with a drop away thats all that matters in yer world ;)

sealevel
10-20-2007, 09:10 PM
Bowwalker there has been a lot of animals killed with the prong stile rest.I perfer a drop away but know a couple pretty good bowhunters who still use fall aways.

Bow Walker
10-20-2007, 10:12 PM
Good to know that there are a lot of successful stories with a lot of different rest styles.

Time to hijack my own thread....

BZ Mikey- do you know what the Easton equivalent size(s) is to the Gold Tip .246 arrows? I'm having a hellova time trying to figure the numbers out on the Easton charts


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Bowzone_Mikey
10-21-2007, 01:42 AM
I dont use GTs so i never look .... Eastons system is the easiest to figure out IMHO ..... 500s are .500 deflection ...400 is .400 deflection etc .... 340 is .340 deflection etc.... a quick look on the GT site ...the only referance I can find to 246 is the ID of the arrows ....

If thats the spine of the arrow ... thats one stiff arra ... Designed for an 80 pound bow? or a real heavy BH

diggerpax
10-21-2007, 02:15 AM
If you want to shoot well at 60 yards and more, a drop away is the only way in my opinion. If you only shoot 20-30, there is no reason to shoot anything other than a whisker- the perfect rest for ameture hunters.

Bowzone_Mikey
10-21-2007, 02:46 AM
If you want to shoot well at 60 yards and more, a drop away is the only way in my opinion. If you only shoot 20-30, there is no reason to shoot anything other than a whisker- the perfect rest for ameture hunters.


I will strongly disagree with that opinion ... I constantly shoot 90 meters with my blades ... and I hunt with my whisker out to that far as well.

If you kit is tuned then you can shoot anything at any distance ....

As I have said before In My Opinion A dropaway rest is good for people with with less than good shooting form as it help hide shooting flaws

Thunderstix
10-21-2007, 05:39 AM
For starters all Drop-aways are not created equal. I must admit I have not been shooting anything but recurve these past 3 years or so but when I put my compound away it had a Muzzy Zero Effect on it and it worked flawlessly. It mechanically dropped the rest out of the way so it never failed. The "claw" rest prevented my arrow from ever falling off. Not sure how the ZE's are nowadays.

sealevel
10-21-2007, 07:20 AM
I have tried a whiskerbisqer and i don`t really like it. I like the idea of the containment just not the fletch contact. But a drop away on a heavy arrow gravity is taking over in the first 1 1/2 in. where with a prong style fallaway gravity will not take over tell the last 1 1/2 in. Could make a real difference to a heavy hunting arrow.

Bow Walker
10-21-2007, 08:41 AM
.... As I have said before In My Opinion A dropaway rest is good for people with with less than good shooting form as it help hide shooting flaws

Mikey - :shock: that's a one heckova blanket statement there.:confused:

I've been shooting D/A's for over 5 years now. I've also been complimented on my "shooting form" by some that I consider very good archers. I also don't consider myself to be the exception to "your rule(s)".

:redface:My physical form may not be the greatest, but my shooting form is better than average. I don't want to come across as a Know-It-All, because I am certainly not but I had to respond to such generalization.

as always - Just one man's opinion........:wink:

Bowzone_Mikey
10-22-2007, 05:02 PM
Mikey - :shock: that's a one heckova blanket statement there.:confused:

I've been shooting D/A's for over 5 years now. I've also been complimented on my "shooting form" by some that I consider very good archers. I also don't consider myself to be the exception to "your rule(s)".

:redface:My physical form may not be the greatest, but my shooting form is better than average. I don't want to come across as a Know-It-All, because I am certainly not but I had to respond to such generalization.

as always - Just one man's opinion........:wink:


yer absolutly correct that was a pretty blanketed stament ...I do apologize ... but the fact remains ... D/A rest were designed to be more forgiving ...like a larger BH bow. I know alot that use em that are some pretty textbook shooters .

That said ... DA rests are not the total anser ... they do have flaws and i feel they must be pointed out to give the audience a chance to see that, as the original posts came accross that DA will solve all ones issues ...they wont.

Eagle1
10-23-2007, 11:54 PM
I now use a limbsaver d/a,if the cords tuned right and the timing is good all D/A's work great, but for years I used a platinum preimer shoot thru , it worked just great and tuned real easy. Drop aways are just a new redesigned older rest. One of the first D/A was called a Barner ST { I think } it dropped by the bows vibration, go figure, still made, the new name escapes me right now , back then { early 80's } it sold for around $ 200.00. The old NAP glue on flipper rest or springey rest were 2 of the best ones for finger shooters. I used to shoot one made from piano wire for target shooting { home built by some guy, still have it } worked great, tuned easy.
So if your a gadget guy { like me } you just got to have the newest and latest thing.
I've always been taught not to have fletch contact, look at the whisker bisket, some guys love em,not me.
Goes to show you doesn't matter what rest you have, if you can tune it than thats the best rest for you, just like arrows,broadheads,bows and any other gadget you think will make you a better shooter.
Archery - 80 % mental 20% physacal and all the money you can afford to buy the latest gadget to make you a better shooter.
Don't forget D/A's drop away after the first 3-4" or should, but you still have infuence on the arrow via the string until the nock leaves the string, so you still have to have good form.

Bowzone_Mikey
10-24-2007, 04:24 PM
I now use a limbsaver....You mean a LimbDriver??? d/a,if the cords tuned right and the timing is good all D/A's work great, but for years I used a platinum preimer shoot thru , it worked just great and tuned real easy. Drop aways are just a new redesigned older rest. One of the first D/A was called a Barner ST { I think } it dropped by the bows vibration, go figure, still made, the new name escapes me right now Trap door by Montana archery , back then { early 80's } it sold for around $ 200.00. The old NAP glue on flipper rest or springey rest were 2 of the best ones for finger shooters. I used to shoot one made from piano wire for target shooting { home built by some guy, still have it } worked great, tuned easy.
So if your a gadget guy { like me } you just got to have the newest and latest thing.
I've always been taught not to have fletch contact, look at the whisker bisket, some guys love em,not me.
Goes to show you doesn't matter what rest you have, if you can tune it than thats the best rest for you, just like arrows,broadheads,bows and any other gadget you think will make you a better shooter.
Archery - 80 % mental 20% physacal and all the money you can afford to buy the latest gadget to make you a better shooter.
Don't forget D/A's drop away after the first 3-4" or should, but you still have infuence on the arrow via the string until the nock leaves the string, so you still have to have good form.


Yep at the end of the day its not what you use ...its how ya use it ....

Geeze that old addage is applicable to lots of stuff huh ?