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Deerwhacker
10-14-2007, 09:16 PM
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Heres a pic my dad got of the grouse he got on his bear hunting trip , does anyone else use 410 guage shotgun shells out of there 45/70 for grouse?? my dad says they fire pretty decently.

pupper
10-14-2007, 09:29 PM
wow that works?? does it hurt the rifling at all to fire .410 shells through it?
pretty neat if it is harmless to the rifle

000buck
10-14-2007, 09:31 PM
a more seasoned gun nut may correct me on this but i believe the only down fall is more frequent cleaning due to lead fouling.

mark
10-14-2007, 09:39 PM
I deheaded one with a rock yesterday, guns are to easy!

Derek_Erickson
10-14-2007, 09:40 PM
hIT ONE TODAY WITH A ROCK, NO LUCK JUST PUSHED HIM OVER, THEN HIT HIM WITH A STICK, NO LUCK HE FLEW

overthetop
10-14-2007, 10:15 PM
Woa you can do that? Would it have to be lead?

Woodrow
10-14-2007, 10:49 PM
yea whats going on here, wheres bartel to tell us if this is a good idea or not.

Scottish Warrior
10-14-2007, 10:51 PM
I have heard of shooting .410 shells with a 45-70 but always wondered about how well it works. I can’t imagine the rifled barrel creating a great shot pattern. Do the .410 shells eject OK?

mrdoog
10-15-2007, 02:47 AM
"wheres bartel"

-He's too busy posing in his cammo thong to answer

kootenayelkslayer
10-15-2007, 12:05 PM
I got two grouse yestarday with the 45/70...with 400gr loads. Not too much meat wastage tho

pupper
10-15-2007, 01:26 PM
Bartell, is this possible? where are your answers ballistic supergenius?

Wildman
10-15-2007, 02:54 PM
Bartell, is this possible? where are your answers ballistic supergenius?

No kidding.........I want to know too.

RMG
10-15-2007, 05:15 PM
Guys have been doing just this thing for year. No abnormal gun wear. But you must use it as a single shot. No problems.

Derek_Erickson
10-15-2007, 05:17 PM
RMG, your saying it wont cycle shells?

RMG
10-15-2007, 05:40 PM
RMG, your saying it wont cycle shells?

Yes the lever actions, wont cycle the 410 shells, too much shell length difference, a bolt action may though. You will find some split 410 shell cases though not a big deal. imo And of course one should never attempt to fire a 45/70 from a 410, thats asking for some plastic surgery, if you get of lucky that is.

wolverine
10-15-2007, 06:00 PM
A friend of mine has a gun made by New England Arms, called "the survivor". It's shoots .45 pistol ammo and ........ .410's. The rifling in the barrel looks really heavy. Don't know if that's because the shot would damage a regular barrel or not. This thing is kinda neat and he says it shoots really well. Killed a ton of birds with it. Who knew???

todbartell
10-15-2007, 09:19 PM
wheres bartel to tell us if this is a good idea or not.

410 is ok but I use 10 gauge shells in my 30-06 for optimum on target energy past 30 yards

Derek_Erickson
10-15-2007, 10:13 PM
I dont believe you :tongue:

jethrobuddy
10-15-2007, 10:14 PM
How does that work?

Derek_Erickson
10-15-2007, 10:16 PM
Do you walk with a limp?... I think he's pullin your leg

overthetop
10-15-2007, 10:16 PM
Yea and I use RUM in my WSM when I feel like getting crazy. :icon_frow so does the 410 hurt the 45/70 or not?

todbartell
10-15-2007, 10:21 PM
soft lead pellets rattling down a big bore probably wont do any real damage. Since there is no steel shot available for 410s that eliminates that potential issue.

3kills
10-15-2007, 11:22 PM
my uncle has has an old 45/70 that my grandpa gave him and all he uses out of it is .410 shells...i think the barrel might have been changed on it though..

Scottish Warrior
10-16-2007, 10:44 PM
From Guns and Ammo Gun Blog:

"Rifling is essential when firing single projectiles but can sure wreck a shot pattern. The rifling causes shot to scatter quickly and even patterns are tough to come by."


http://www.gunsandammomag.com/blog/GAjudgeb_071807B.jpg
This target illustrates how quickly the .410 loads scatter when fired from the Judge. The load used here is Winchester number 4's and the pattern on the head of the silhouette target was fired at five feet and the pattern to the body was fired at ten feet.

sparkes3
10-17-2007, 08:12 AM
bang away as a single shot works great

Wildfoot
10-17-2007, 09:49 AM
reading over at canadian gun nutz, some people said that the 45/70 or 444 will also cycle the shells out of the mag in a marlin lever gun?

Jager
10-17-2007, 03:29 PM
Wouldn't the plastic wad protect the rifling from damage? Sounds like a good idea to me as long as you were close enough that the pattern wasn't all spun out of control.

Marc
10-17-2007, 04:36 PM
the rifling in a barrel is made of steel and the shot is lead. The barrel is much stronger then the bird shot and the rifle can handle a lot more pressure then a 410 shotgun I wouldn't be concerned about the shot hurting the barrel my only concern would be ejecting the shell.

BCLongshot
10-17-2007, 04:54 PM
I'm gonna try it next week.

Deerwhacker
10-17-2007, 05:07 PM
My dad said that when he was doing this he was loading them into the action without putting them through the magazine, he said its great for grouse up to 40 ft and is just the thing for if your big game hunting and you decide to pop grouse while your walking. The only thing was that he had to eject the shells by pulling them out with his fingernail due to the extractor claw not suiting the 410 shell but said that there was no struggling at all and they poped out rather easily.

Chuck
10-17-2007, 05:48 PM
Heck, I thought I was the only one who had anything at all worth saying about the mostly unpopular .410. Guess not.

sfire436
02-09-2008, 06:52 PM
I dont care if that works or not, that is just a plain sexy ass gun.

troutseeker
02-10-2008, 02:28 PM
I did it before and it work's well. Countless other are doing it too, never heard of any problems. Sure some .410 shells split upon firing but the pellets still go out the right end!

Troutseeker

Rock Doctor
02-10-2008, 02:39 PM
I have fired quite a few 410 shells through my 45/70 in the past, and never had any problems. Never had much luck making them cycle through the action, I just fed them in one at a time. Ocasionally one of the 410 cases will split, but not much more often than a brass case will split when fire forming (depending on how they were anealed). I have fire-formed several hundred 375 H&H brass into 340 Wby's, never had any issues even though the case dimensions are quite different.

Now, I shoot alot of 32 Auto's through my 300 mag. I find it quieter than the 410/45-70 combination, shoots farther, cheaper, more of a challenge, ect.

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308Lover
02-10-2008, 04:53 PM
Take the challenge! Shoot the heads off grouse with your 400 grain loads.
Never mind that 410 nonsense! The 45/70 should have enough knock-down power on its own. LOL LOL LOL

MidnightRun
02-10-2008, 06:36 PM
Where did you get your cartridge adapter and how is removal of the spent casing from the adaptor acomplished ?

Rock Doctor
02-11-2008, 02:13 PM
MidnightRun
Where did you get your cartridge adapter and how is removal of the spent casing from the adaptor acomplished ?

I think the adapter came from Franks Sporting Goods store in Quesnell, and spent casings just drop out of the adapter. (you do have to eject the adapter into your hand first.) once the adapter gets a little dirty, it does get a little sticky, but anything will push the case out, pencil, twig, ect.

Wildfoot
02-11-2008, 03:31 PM
My wife has a 45/70(I’m getting one this spring).Would we use 410 shotgun shells in the 45/70? Answer-NEVER!!. IMO -I don’t think it’s safe-I’m no gun expert-COMMON SENSE MUST PREVAIL!
The engraving on the gun barrel is 45/70 not 45/70(410).
The 410 shell is smaller in diameter & mostly plastic. It’s loose in the chamber.
Possible scenarios- shell plastic casing cracks (part could be lodged in the barrel) –plastic wad clogging the barrel –shell ejection problems.
From an article-
The body of the 45-70 cartridge starts out with a diameter of .505",
and tapers to .480".
The body of the .410 shotgun chamber
tapers from .475" to .465". This would probably lead to excessive case
head expansion if a .410 cartridge were to be fired in a 45-70 chamber.

Don't be such a Sissy :razz:

troutseeker
02-12-2008, 02:43 PM
I have the same adapter for my .300 winmag. Works quite well. I bought mine from E&I in PG. I was there in November and he has none left for that caliber but still has a few in other cal's/ Give him a call to see what's left.

Troutseeker

steelheadSABO
04-07-2008, 07:10 PM
will this work in a single shot because i cant afford the marlin

elkdom
04-07-2008, 07:36 PM
Try this! it works! take fired45-70 brass,reload it a if its 410 shot shells,seal outer paper wads with hot glue! and 45-70 brass holds more shot than 410 loads! works like hot dam! and your rifle will eject fired rounds,these will not feed from tube magazines tho!

FLHTCUI
04-15-2008, 07:47 AM
Having not read all of the comments post on the previous pages I'll add my comments here and agree with Marks post as well, lead is softer than steel so thus it shouldnt harm the bore, not to mention the wad as well protecting the barrel some /
now if the wad was to get stuck and the next round was a 45/70 round, then we are talking some serious stuff happening. Ok, enough of that.
I had some info on the Marlin.444 that included tripple round ball load data that a Gun Writer ( whose name and magazine escape me right now ) along with pictures of patterning and such. The theory behind this developemtn was two fold , close range thumper is a survival situation and for putting some small game on the table if the need where to arise thus not wastea 265 grain round life safer . I will try and dig up the article and post some more info later if there is still interest...wait Ken Waters just popped into my head.. Google here I come.
Thanks
Rob

Sunny
04-15-2008, 08:22 AM
wow I afraid too try lucky you