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garsher
02-04-2007, 02:22 PM
Which grain of bullet would you say preforms the best for longer distances for the .30-06 ?

Mr. Dean
02-04-2007, 02:33 PM
IMO the 165 grain bullets are a good versitile choice in an '06.

sealevel
02-04-2007, 02:33 PM
I really like 165 grain 30-06s like them best

garsher
02-04-2007, 02:34 PM
k thanks guys

Poguebilt
02-04-2007, 02:36 PM
168 g barnes tsx

Jagermeister
02-04-2007, 03:16 PM
Speer Grand Slam 180gr. Best all round bullet for the 30-06 IMO. I would not bother loading any other.

Chuck
02-04-2007, 03:17 PM
IMO the 165 grain bullets are a good versitile choice in an '06.

I have to agree!

Franko Manini
02-04-2007, 03:45 PM
The real long range guys shoot 200 or 220 grainers at 1000 metres, sicne they have the very best ballistic coefficient. But for hunting, they would not be the best choice.


I dig the 165 grainers myself.

todbartell
02-04-2007, 03:55 PM
a sleek 165/168 grain pushed @ 2800 fps is about as good as it gets for an open country load in the 30-06. I prefer the new Nosler Accubond for deer hunting and the Barnes Triple Shock for bears/elk/moose, although both will work on all critters.

the 30-06 doesnt have the case capacity to drive a bullet over 190 grains to decent speeds. 200 grain bullets can be loaded to around 2550 fps, which is perfect for moderate range shooting, but nothing more.

swamper
02-04-2007, 04:51 PM
My personal preference is a Hornaday 190 gr BTSP. Always worked well for me, and never had to chase an animal.

CanAm500
02-04-2007, 05:03 PM
Im shooting 180grain Nolser Partitions right now.

30-06
02-04-2007, 05:47 PM
federal vital shok 165 grain

MRP
02-04-2007, 06:29 PM
My 165 load for 3006 falls under the title "DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME". I at one time my pet load was 62gr 760 winchester powder and a cci 250 primer. Speed was 3080spf. 60.8 is max with a cci200 in the Hornady book I have. I would never shoot this load on days with a temp above + 5.

Mr. Dean
02-04-2007, 06:44 PM
My 165 load for 3006 falls under the title "DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME". I at one time my pet load was 62gr 760 winchester powder and a cci 250 primer. Speed was 3080spf. 60.8 is max with a cci200 in the Hornady book I have. I would never shoot this load on days with a temp above + 5.
garsher;
Do not even consider this.
Its from the 'Dark Side' of the reloader world.

Stick to the manuals, if you decide to to get into reloading.
My 2 penny's...

todbartell
02-04-2007, 07:17 PM
My 165 load for 3006 falls under the title "DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME". I at one time my pet load was 62gr 760 winchester powder and a cci 250 primer. Speed was 3080spf. 60.8 is max with a cci200 in the Hornady book I have. I would never shoot this load on days with a temp above + 5.

what was the reason for this load? was it more accurate than a lesser charge?

garsher
02-04-2007, 07:44 PM
K, thanks guys, you've all been alot of help.

moosecaller
02-04-2007, 08:55 PM
Quick question for you here. What is longer distances? What are you doing hunting or target? If you are hunting what game are you after? This may influence what load you should be using.

416
02-04-2007, 09:00 PM
Its from the 'Dark Side' of the reloader world

The power of the dark side!! (darth vader wheez!!):):):)

MRP
02-04-2007, 10:03 PM
garsher;
Do not even consider this.
Its from the 'Dark Side' of the reloader world.

Stick to the manuals, if you decide to to get into reloading.
My 2 penny's...
I did say "it was" and"DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME". I did give the the max load by the the book.

It was 20 years ago and I would not do it again.

Mr. Dean
02-04-2007, 10:56 PM
I did say "it was" and"DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME". I did give the the max load by the the book.

It was 20 years ago and I would not do it again.

Yes you did, I was just reinforcing it.

Nothing personal.
If it came off as if it was, my apology's - It was not my intentions. :smile:

Birddog
02-05-2007, 12:14 AM
I got a 165 grain "Federal High Energy Trophy Bonded Bear Claw". Shoots at 3000 fps. Nice bullet lota spank! For Island Deer a 150 grain will do.

Cheers Birddog

boxhitch
02-05-2007, 10:36 AM
Birddog - is that 3000 a recorded speed or one of the box ? A friend has tried these, but is using a slower speed to calc ballistics (not chronyd)

todbartell
02-05-2007, 10:48 AM
fwiw, I chrony'd 165 gr TBBC HE 30-06 load out of a 24" Husquvarna, and it did 2900 fps

Ilikebigbucks&Icannotlie
02-05-2007, 10:49 AM
you can look at most reloading books, and get the terminal velocity at any given distance by inputting the muzzle velocity and the ballistic coefficient of the bullet. If memory serves me right, the 165 grain Nosler is the best all-round performer for the 30.06. It's really about how hard you are smacking an animal at any given distance. Heavy bullets will do this best with all things being equal, however they tend to have poorer ballistic coefficients (not because of the weight, but the bullet shape), and slow down enough at longer distances, that a lighter bullet with a superior BC will actually outsmack the heavier one. IMO the most important thing is being able to consistantly put the bullet in the boiler room, and worry about speed, and hitting power second. The moral of the story is don't outgun yourself.

Franko Manini
02-05-2007, 10:56 AM
My 165 load for 3006 falls under the title "DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME". I at one time my pet load was 62gr 760 winchester powder and a cci 250 primer. Speed was 3080spf. 60.8 is max with a cci200 in the Hornady book I have. I would never shoot this load on days with a temp above + 5.

That's ridiculous!

HighCountry
02-05-2007, 06:30 PM
I personally use Federal 165 gr ballistic tip.for everythings from coyo up to
grizz bear no problem at all.

MRP
02-05-2007, 06:41 PM
Mr. Dean
Thanks. No sweat.
I would hate to start trouble on a good site like this.

psyco
02-05-2007, 06:44 PM
personaly i like the 165 grain they work great all round.

elkguide
02-06-2007, 05:49 PM
Which grain of bullet would you say preforms the best for longer distances for the .30-06 ? The grain of bullet is one thing that alot of people think is a primary factor and that is true to a point but not the only factor. Shape ballitic co. / sectional desity and powder make loads different. I think that alot of people think because a bullet is going fast out of the barrel that it's downrange performance would be better and thats hogwash.....infact downrange performance can be much better at long range in a heavier bullet. don't let all the hype cloud the facts.

moosecaller
02-06-2007, 11:20 PM
Note from cd sierra manual coeffecient of a nosler part 165 is .410 and for a hornady 190 it is .491 fair difference there. The 165 does bleed off a bit more at range all being equal 200 yd zero the 165 is 48" low at 500 and the 190 is 41" low but the 190 is still hitting much harder at range the 165 at 200 hits with 2055 and 1183 at 500, the 190 at 200 hits with 2697 and 1731 at 500 heavier bullets do perform you do not need to go hypersonic to make your shot. And the more lead in your game the better to do it's thing. ie: expend energy and more of it comparatively, better chance of a bigger wound channel, etc.

todbartell
02-06-2007, 11:38 PM
how fast are you pushing a 190 grain Hornady BTSP out of a 30-06 to get 41" drop @ 500 from a 200 yard zero? :shock:

By my calculations, the muzzle velocity would have to be 2900 fps, the speed of a normal 150 grain load :|


If you want to make a more realistic comparison, compare the Hornady 165 gr BTSP @ 2800 fps to the 190 gr BTSP @ 2650 fps

The 165 grainer drops 46" from a 200 yard zero (at 500 yards), the 190 grain load drops 50". Impact energy @ 500 is 1275 ft-lbs for the lighter load, 1425 ft-lbs for the heavy. :)

moosecaller
02-07-2007, 12:52 AM
I did say all things being equal but if you want to get into the slight differences this is how it played out for me. I have chrony an -06 190 at 2740 which gave 0 at 200 and 45 low at 500 with energy at 2392 at 200 and 1516 at 500 based on starting chronigraphed figuires still does as good if not a better job that the lighter bullet at range.
It should be noted that this load gave me sub min. at 100 yrds and everything I hit with it went down. It just simply did the job I have always been a firm believer in the heaver bullets. As long as the rifle likes them and they perform well I have no complaints and no need to change my success.

todbartell
02-07-2007, 12:39 PM
I did say all things being equal

well, yes, the heavier bullet with its high BC will fly flatter than a bullet with a lower coefficient when launched at the same muzzle velocity :)

high BC & good speed = flat shooting. the optimum long range load for the 30-06, IMO, is a 165 gr boat tail spitzer launched between 2800 & 2900 fps :) if moose or elk are on the menu, pick a bullet that is controlled expansion, like an X bullet or Partition. For deer, almost any bullet will do the trick

greatwhitehunter_30.06
03-01-2007, 07:58 PM
i like fusion 180gr.:)

coolhunter
06-17-2007, 01:29 PM
I like 180gr,but I wanna try 165,hoho

One Shot
06-17-2007, 09:54 PM
For 30-06, 173/180 BTs on average will peform better than 168/165s at longer ranges. There is only 1 to 1.5 " differnce in drop @ 500 yds. That all being said you also have to take into account how well your rifle sends these differnt bullets down range. So it comes out to trying different ammo from manufactures or if you hand load try different combinations untill you find the best. Good luck.

Caveman
06-17-2007, 10:01 PM
I'm with the majority here, 165gr. I personally use the Fed Premium Vital Shok and the Power Shok.